KOZ WINS

[tn94z]

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Hughes is a championship wrestler too. Wrestling means jack if you can't do anything with it. It's funny how you act like GSPs wrestling is nothing, but everyone knows he has the best wrestling in MMA. I put them in those spots as they stand right now. He is getting the next title shot...he has to be at the top.

[FUZO]

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wrestling as in the olympics, wrestling as in the sports high school, college,not just takinig you down in mma . Gsp needs to learn how to pin people and have all the moves and thats where koz blows him away period. If GSP had to wrestle in a true wrestling match and pin koz GSP would lose hands down. You just dont be a 4 time championship in wrestling as koz has done.Like I said GSP has done nothing in his wrestling career has he won chamionships if so please post them because theres nothing in his wikepedia about him winning any wrestling tournaments or championships in wrestling.

[tn94z]

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wrestling as in the olympics, wrestling as in the sports high school, college,not just takinig you down in mma . Gsp needs to learn how to pin people and have all the moves and thats where koz blows him away period. If GSP had to wrestle in a true wrestling match and pin koz GSP would lose hands down. You just dont be a 4 time championship in wrestling as koz has done.Like I said GSP has done nothing in his wrestling career has he won chamionships if so please post them because theres nothing in his wikepedia about him winning any wrestling tournaments or championships in wrestling.

Here is the difference....this isn't high school or college. Kos is in MMA now and GSP beats him hands down in MMA wrestling.

[FUZO]

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you said

GSP isn't considering the Olympic wrestling team for nothing

so if you think GSP is ready for the olympics I say your wrong because koz has a ton more expereince with the real wrestling the true wrestling sport and if anyone is ready for the wrestling team its Koz first not Gsp. Accept thefact that koz is a more accomplished wrestler by far and if you cant understand that then well do some fact checking then.I just can beleive you think GSP is a better true wrestler then a 4 time champion.

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I LIKE GSP AND ALL BUT I THINK HES GETTING IN OVER HIS HEAD WITH THE OLYMPIC THING. THOSE TRUE WRESTLERS ARE GOING TO TIE HIM INTO KNOTS. HES GOOD AT MMA - NOT OLYMPIC WRESTLING. ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. HE WILL GET AN EYE OPENER

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I LIKE GSP AND ALL BUT I THINK HES GETTING IN OVER HIS HEAD WITH THE OLYMPIC THING. THOSE TRUE WRESTLERS ARE GOING TO TIE HIM INTO KNOTS. HES GOOD AT MMA - NOT OLYMPIC WRESTLING. ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. HE WILL GET AN EYE OPENER

Exactly finaly someone else can see the true meaning of a true wrestler. And Koz belongs in the #4 spot . are you kidding you think conduit is beter then koz and swick. Koz would take down that skinny swick or conduit at any time if he wanted to. better mind you he can take down anyone at any time if he wanted to. And can you beleive this that shiznick and I agree about koz.But I can truly see koz winnng if he trains right and doesnt gas and puts a 1000% effort onto his training camp against GSP. But koz and hardy must fight first before gsp does. See again dana is a dick and isnt thinking clearly if he lets hardy fight gsp first

[tn94z]

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you said



so if you think GSP is ready for the olympics I say your wrong because koz has a ton more expereince with the real wrestling the true wrestling sport and if anyone is ready for the wrestling team its Koz first not Gsp. Accept thefact that koz is a more accomplished wrestler by far and if you cant understand that then well do some fact checking then.I just can beleive you think GSP is a better true wrestler then a 4 time champion.

The reason I said that is to show that GSP knows wrestling. I agree that he probably doesn't have the experience that KOS had in HS, but while KOS has been doing nothing but MMA the last few years, GSP has been training with the Canadian Olympic team.

I know the facts and I didn't say that I think GSP is a better "wrestler." I do think that GSP incorporates his wrestling in a much more dominate way than Kos does in MMA. I agree with you that Kos is the better true wrestler. But I will say this, GSP is not far behind and is catching up. KOS doesn't worry about wrestling any more because he says he "knows how to do that already." GSP is constantly training with Olympic wrestlers and if the these two continue like this, yes GSP will become the better wrestler.

It's like a BJJ black belt that got his belt when he was 20 and then stopped training for 10 years. Then you take a guy that started BJJ when he was 20 and continue to train in this art. Who do you think wins a grappling match when they are 30?

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George St. Pierre on the Canadian Olympic Team?

Will GSP Wrestle for Canada in the 2012 Olympics in London

NOV 17 2009

George St. Pierre has made it very clear that he wants to wrestle in the 2012 Olympics in London for the Canadian Olympic wrestling team. The chances are very slim.

George St. Pierre is considered to be the premier welterweight mixed martial artist in the world. He has successfully defended his title for a while now and if it wasn't for an unexpected loss, he would have had it for much longer. He is now about to embark on a new journey: wrestling for the Canadian Olympic team in the 2012 Olympics in London.
George St. Pierre in the Olympics

St. Pierre has wanted to wrestle in the Olympics for a long time now. He has trained very often with the Canadian Olympic team and now will begin to make his case for the spot at 74kg. (163lbs.) for the 2012 Olympic team. The problem for St. Pierre is that he has a lot of competition at that weight.
Matt Gentry is a former NCAA Champion at that weight and wrestled for Canada in the 2008 Olympics. He plans to try out again for the 2012 Olympic team. Gentry isn't even to be considered the best wrestler at that weight in Canada. Evan McDonald is the favorite. McDonald wrestled for Canada at the World Championships in September. If St. Pierre is going to have any chance to wrestle for the Canadian team, he will have to beat out both of these skilled wrestlers.
St. Pierre's Takedowns – Strength or Weakness?
George St. Pierre is one of the premier takedown artists in the UFC. The only problem is that in the Olympics, he won't be taking down MMA fighters who strength is in their fist. He will have the task of taking down the best wrestlers in the world.

It is nearly impossible to compare his takedown ability with just seeing how well he does it in the UFC. UFC fighters stand upright and this is a completely different stance than wrestlers who are in a better position to fight off a takedown attempt.
Dana White on GSP's in the Olympics
Dana White is very supportive of GSP wrestling in the Olympics. He has no problem with one of his fighters showcasing their skills on a world stage. Wrestling is a huge part of the UFC and it would be interesting to see GSP show off his wrestling skills and how they rank against the world's premier wrestlers.
The only disadvantage of GSP wrestling in the Olympics would be that it would consume a year or more of his time. This would keep him out of action in the UFC and probably force him to step down from his welterweight throne. All of that, and St. Pierre wouldn't even be guaranteed to make the team. Right now he is in his prime and a few years from now he may not be able to regain is dominance.
It is yet to be seen how this situation will play out. Either way, it is good to see these UFC fighters wanting to represent their countries on the world stage, even if it means degressing their professional fight career. GSP has a long road ahead of him is he is going to win the right to wrestle at the 168lb. spot for the Canadian Olympic team. Keep an eye on his progress and never doubt his abilities. He may be a little overmatched right now, but with the proper training, he could surprise a lot of people.

HE'S NOT EVEN THE FAVORITE 2 OTHR WRSTLERS ARE AND MCDONALD WHO IS CONSIDERED BETTER THEN GSP AT WRESTLING BUT YEAH GSP IS BETTER AT MMA. THIS ARTICLE EVEN SAYS ITS A LONG SHOT AND ITS A HIGE DIFFERENCE THEN MMA STYLE WRESTLING. THIS ARTICLE WAS TAKEN LAST WEEK. I CANT WAIT TO SEE GSP MAKE A FOOL OUT OF HIM SELF,YEAH HE'S GOOD AT MMA BUT HE HAS TO DROP TO 163 WELL SHIT HE MIGHT AS WELL FIGHT BJ PENN WHEN HE GETS DOWN AT THAT WEIGHT JUST HAS TO LOSE 8 MORE POUNDS

[tn94z]

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Listen, I agree about the Olympic wrestling thing. but GSP is not going to wrestle Kos in the tryouts. Kos will have to face him in MMA and he is not on that level...period.

[tn94z]

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Exactly finaly someone else can see the true meaning of a true wrestler. And Koz belongs in the #4 spot . are you kidding you think conduit is beter then koz and swick. Koz would take down that skinny swick or conduit at any time if he wanted to. better mind you he can take down anyone at any time if he wanted to. And can you beleive this that shiznick and I agree about koz.But I can truly see koz winnng if he trains right and doesnt gas and puts a 1000% effort onto his training camp against GSP. But koz and hardy must fight first before gsp does. See again dana is a dick and isnt thinking clearly if he lets hardy fight gsp first

Kos was coming off a loss when Dana made that deal...an embarassing loss as a matter of fact. So, I can see Kos not getting a shot. I can't see Kos winning no matter how he trains and if he has enough gas to fight 10 rounds. He is outclassed by GSP and thats that. GSP has progressed much further than Kos has since their fight. GSP wins 9 times out of 10, with the 1 being a freak KO.

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This is what I mean about people who are either haters or dont ever think someone can be beat. everyone can be beat . look at matt sera and him smashing GSP oops and now your saying that KOZ's over hand right with that mighty power if connects GSP is going to sleep like yoshiyuki yoshida. Dude you have to stop maing excuses for GSP he will lose one day and again you most likely will call it a freak loss oh just like sera was a freak loss that gsp couldnt handle seras power. There are no embarasiing losses imo in the mma you just get caught like everyone does.

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GSP DOWN TO 163 POUNDS WILL LOOK SICKLY...HES TOO BIG TO DO THAT. HES MESSING UP HIS REIGN AS CHAMPION INT HE UFC IF HE DOES IT I THINK

[tn94z]

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This is what I mean about people who are either haters or dont ever think someone can be beat. everyone can be beat . look at matt sera and him smashing GSP oops and now your saying that KOZ's over hand right with that mighty power if connects GSP is going to sleep like yoshiyuki yoshida. Dude you have to stop maing excuses for GSP he will lose one day and again you most likely will call it a freak loss oh just like sera was a freak loss that gsp couldnt handle seras power. There are no embarasiing losses imo in the mma you just get caught like everyone does.

This has nothing to do with hating. I do think that GSP can be beat....did you not read any of my posts leading up to the BJ fight? Kos is NOT on GSPs level...if he was, he would be champ. GSP wears the belt for a reason. GSP has already beaten Kos.

GSP didn't lose a freak loss against Serra. Man you really never read anything I posted leading up to the BJ fight did you? I have always said that Serra's win was not a freak win. He rocked GSP and then he was all over GSP like stink on s***!! Serra beat GSPs butt.

Here is the thing with mma...you CAN'T USE MMA MATH!!! It never adds up. For example, you can't say "Well, Jardine beat Chuck and Chuck beat Randy, Wanderlei, Tito, Babalu, Vitor Belfort, etc...so that means that Jardine should be able to beat Randy, Wanderlei, Tito, Babalu, Vitor, etc..." It doesn't work like that my friend.

So to say that just because Serra knocked GSP down with his over hand right, doesn't mean that Kos would knock GSP down with his over hand right. And to say that "Kos is the only fighter to win a round against GSP, is just nuts! Who cares? Lutter won a round from Anderson, does that mean that Lutter would beat him the next time they fought?

I am watching the first fight now.

Rd.1) Kos throws about 5 of those over hand rights and misses. GSP takes him down easily in the first 1 minute(even though Kos said pre-fight that there was no way GSP was taking him down). GSP uses his GnP successfully even though Kos does a good job defending. GSP passes guard a few times. Kos scrambles to his feet and has single leg and tries to take GSP down successfully. Kos lands about 3-4 shots to the body and that's it.

Rd.2) They come out and GSPs throws some kicks and a superman punch and procedes to take Kos down again. GSP goes for a Kimura unsuccessfully. GSP goes for it a second time unsuccessfully...it was close there but Kos does good to get out. GSP gets out of Kos's guard into side control. GSP is stady with the GnP. Kos rolls and tries to get up but GSP pulls him back down. GSP passes and tries the Kimura again. GSPs GnP here is brutal to the body. It sounds like McCarthy warns Kos about holding on to his shorts to stop the Kimura. GSP completely dominated this round.

Rd.3) They come out swinging but most shots are missed by both guys. More shots from Kos but nothing that lands heavy. GSP eats him up with leg kicks, but nothing devastating. Kos tries a takedown, and fails and GSP ends up on top again. He GnPs Kos really bad this round and ends the round going for a foot lock.

I don't really see what round Kos won to be honest. Maybe round one with some bad judging. From what I saw, GSP beat him in the standup. He beat him in takedowns. He beat him in control. He beat him in aggressiveness. He beat him in sub attempts. He beat him in the ground game. He outwrestled the all-american. I don't see how Kos won a round.

Anyway, that fight wasn't close.

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See tnz if you want to use the excuse I dont read anything fine what ever dude this is all over a true wrestler as koz is a champion. Gsp isnt a champion wrestler that what this thread came down to. good you want him to be in the olympics or try out he will get embarassed big time. . And the math thing so what I didnt use those calculations I said gsp can be beat and has been beat and will get beat. And using a old fight against koz back then and now why And I think koz has way more power then sera does. and again your all high and mighty on GSP it shows in your post

[tn94z]

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Man you are really full of it! You try your best to twist words the way you want them. It really all comes down to MMA and not wrestling at all. GSP may not be a champion wrestler, but he sure outwrestled the wrestling champion named Kos in their MMA match.

What I need you to do is show me the post where I said that GSP would never be beaten? And yes you are trying to use the math. You said if Serra can KO GSP then Kos can KO GSP. The problem is that Serra KOd him in their fight and KOS did not KO GSP in their fight.

And yes the old fight is relevant. If their first fight isn't relevant, then neither is the Serra fight.

And as far as hating on a fighter goes, you are the one that hates on fighters. At least I give every fighter their props. I mean anyone that has any clue whatsoever about basic MMA and has the vision to be able to watch tv, knows that Kos is not on the same level as GSP. Just like it is easy to see that no one in 185 is on Anderson Silva's level.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

Since we are flipping things...the only reason you are saying this about Kos is because you hate GSP so much. That was obvious before the BJ fight.

Sorry for calling a spade a spade.