UFC Primetime BJ vs GSP

[O2BESOHUGE]

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I GO ALONG WITH THAT FUZO....ILL PUT $100 ON GSP

JUST DONT TELL RHONDA!

[Strella]

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If you think that BJ trains as hard as GSP you are crazy, GSP is in prime fighting condition year round. Plus, everyone keeps talking about how GSP barely won or basically lost to BJ last time they fought so why any different? Well, thats dumb cause GSP won yet you claim BJ will handle him which would be a quite different result. Also, GSP has gotten so much better in every aspect of his game over the last 2-3 years since they fought, while BJ has seemed about the same to me skill wise yet some times he shows up in shape and sometimes not. Trust me, I think BJ is a great fighter and one of my favs to watch, but I can't see any way he wins unless its some kind of a quick KO or something kind of odd like that. Just my opinion though and I look forward to a great fight hopefully esp. after that awfull last UFC.

[tn94z]

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If you think that BJ trains as hard as GSP you are crazy, GSP is in prime fighting condition year round. Plus, everyone keeps talking about how GSP barely won or basically lost to BJ last time they fought so why any different? Well, thats dumb cause GSP won yet you claim BJ will handle him which would be a quite different result. Also, GSP has gotten so much better in every aspect of his game over the last 2-3 years since they fought, while BJ has seemed about the same to me skill wise yet some times he shows up in shape and sometimes not. Trust me, I think BJ is a great fighter and one of my favs to watch, but I can't see any way he wins unless its some kind of a quick KO or something kind of odd like that. Just my opinion though and I look forward to a great fight hopefully esp. after that awfull last UFC.

Just because BJ doesn't train the same way or train all year round, doesn't mean that he isn't training just as hard as GSP for this fight. GSP won by means of Lay and pray. I took BJ down and laid on him the 2nd and 3rd rounds. It was a very controversial decision....even Joe Rogan says that.

As far as the skill set goes...you have obviously not watched BJs last few fights if you think that his skill set has stayed the same the last 2-3 years and that he doesn't come in shape. You need to go back and watch the Pulver fight and the Sherk fight. It is obvious that Bj has gotten better and if you say that GSP has gotten better and BJ hasn't then you are a GSP nuthugger because that is just ridiculous!!!

How do you see GSP winning? He can't KO BJ...he can't sub bj....he can take BJ down but then what? Takedowns are his only way of winning and BJ has really been working on TD defense (he already has some of the best in the business) and he has also been working take downs of his own. It's not like GSP added some new martial art to his skills. He is the same GSP that BJ fought the first with the exception of being more technical with his striking.

[scotch_03rr]

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I really like both these fighters but i hope that BJ wins

[Strella]

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First of all anyone can KO anyone. And thats crazy to say GSP can't KO someone. You obviously haven't been paying attention to GSP lately if all you think is that he has gotten a bit more technical or precise with his striking. He was a purple belt in bjj the last time they fought as well, plus it seems like he gets stronger and faster every fight. Matt Hughes couldn't take him down even when he had him in a bear hug and neither could Kos who is supposed to be such a great wrestler. I'm not even saying BJ cant win because he def could, I just think that GSP can do everything BJ can but hes bigger and much faster/stronger which allows for a greater margin of error.

[FUZO]

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matt hughes should of never fought gsp he has been finished for quit sometime. he only fought him for the money. and koz wasnt ready for gsp either those 2 fights were gimmes for gsp. Bj has the best bjj in mma. was the fastest american to ever get the black belt that there shows a outstanding job alone so he is gifted in bjj.if anything gsp might have over bj is wrestling but who knows. Bj has most likely got alot better at wrestling and take down skills against gsp as we all know thats what gsp is going to try and do. The tv show has made bj look bad because he trains in a old place and gsp is in a new place.and they show gsp in a night club and theres chicks and then they show bj where he used to live near the slums. the tv show is a crock of shit makes bj look bad.bj was a great fighter when he half assed it and now that he is training like a champion he hasnt been stopped.pulver,sherk,the other dude all fights no problems. won those with ease.

[Schiznick]

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BJ has the best BJJ is MMA? Come on Fuz... that statement is sooo far from the truth... I have seen nothing form his jitz wise in a long time

I just cant wait til this fight is over and Penn loses and then we dont have to talk about it anymore.. The ONLY, and I mean the ONLY was Penn wins this fight is a freak KO like Matt Sera had..

[tn94z]

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First of all anyone can KO anyone. And thats crazy to say GSP can't KO someone. You obviously haven't been paying attention to GSP lately if all you think is that he has gotten a bit more technical or precise with his striking. He was a purple belt in bjj the last time they fought as well, plus it seems like he gets stronger and faster every fight. Matt Hughes couldn't take him down even when he had him in a bear hug and neither could Kos who is supposed to be such a great wrestler. I'm not even saying BJ cant win because he def could, I just think that GSP can do everything BJ can but hes bigger and much faster/stronger which allows for a greater margin of error.

First of all no they can't. Some people have KO power and some don't. If that is the case then why has GSP NEVER KO'd anyone? He practically beat Fitch to death and couldn't KO him. With that thought, BJ Penn has NEVER even been rocked and that is in fights all the way to 205! Machida could not even rock BJ. So I will say it again, GSP CAN NOT KO PENN! So what GSP moved from purple to black. That is one belt move. There are different levels of a black belt and if you try to tell me that GSP is on the same level, then you need to quit watching MMA because you don't have a clue. Stronger and faster...so? That just means he can get BJ down quicker and then what? He can't submit BJ...BJ is too active for GSP to pound him out. GSP is my second favorite fighter and I understand that he IS better than he was the first time they fought. But what you have to understand is that BJ has gotten alot better too....so now what? I can't believe you even brought Hughes up. Hughes hasn't been crap in years! When Hughes was in his prime and they fought, Hughes beat him. TO me, Hughes hasn't been the same since he beat Royce Gracie.

And no....GSP can not do everything BJ can do.

BJ has the best BJJ is MMA? Come on Fuz... that statement is sooo far from the truth... I have seen nothing form his jitz wise in a long time

I just cant wait til this fight is over and Penn loses and then we dont have to talk about it anymore.. The ONLY, and I mean the ONLY was Penn wins this fight is a freak KO like Matt Sera had..

Who has better BJ in MMA? He got his belt in 3 years, normally takes at least 6. He was the first american to win the world jiu jitsu championships in the black belt category. I mean come on. if you start discrediting his BJJ then you are definitely a hater and a joke. His flexibility alone puts his BJJ on another level. Anyone in the UFC will tell you that BJ has some of the best BJJ in MMA.

You don't see anything from Gurgel's BJJ either and his BJJ is some of the best in MMA. To me it is a bold statement when someone like these guys that are so good on the ground prefer to stand and beat you. BJ stands by choice to show that he is more than BJJ.

I guess you think GSP has better BJJ too

[tn94z]

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Oh and Shiz>>>>That wasn't a freak KO by Serra...Serra knocked GSP down and then GSP, pay attention to this, TAPPED OUT from strikes! He couldn't handle little Serra's power!

[O2BESOHUGE]

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I DONT CARE WHO IT IS...A GLANCING BLOW ON THE BACK OF THE HEAD WILL MAKE ANYONE WOBBLY. WE WATCHED LESNAR AND COUTURE AGAIN LAST NIGHT AND THATS WHAT HAPPENED TO RANDY TOO.

ONCE THAT HAPPENS YOU CANT HELP BUT TO GIVE IN, YOUR DONE IN THAT FIGHT AND YOUR GOING TO GET OVERWHELMED

IM STILL ROOTING FOR GSP ALL THE WAY NEXT WEEK. I HOPE HE WALKS THROUGH BJ

[FUZO]

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BJ has the best BJJ is MMA? Come on Fuz... that statement is sooo far from the truth... I have seen nothing form his jitz wise in a long time

I just cant wait til this fight is over and Penn loses and then we dont have to talk about it anymore.. The ONLY, and I mean the ONLY was Penn wins this fight is a freak KO like Matt Sera had..

you havent seen nothing from his jitz in awhile you say because he has blown through pulver no problem a champoion sean sherk no problem stevenson no problem .

[FUZO]

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For this past week's "Inside MMA" poll, which is conducted exclusively on MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com), we strayed outside of our usual current-events topics and instead focused on the fighters.

Supplying a list of six of the world's slickest ground fighters, we asked which active competitor has the most dangerous submissions in MMA.

Voters could choose between Shinya Aoki, Fedor Emelianko, Demian Maia, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, BJ Penn and Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza.

As expected, a true MMA "Prodigy" garnered the most votes.

In fact, Penn earned nearly half the votes -- 40% in all.

He earned twice as many as second-place finisher Nogueira, who got 20% of the votes. Aoki and Emelianenko tied for third with 15%, followed by Maia (6%) and Souza (4%).

Penn earned his Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt from Andre Pederneiras in 2000. His dominance in jiu-jitsu competitions eventually earned him a ticket into the UFC.

Penn, the organization's current lightweight champion, owns a 13-4-1 record. Although the 29-year-old jiu-jitsu phenom has used his ground skills to set up nearly every lifetime win, only five of those career 13 victories have come via submission.

Lately, though, they've been his weapon of choice; five of his past eight victories came via arm-triangle or rear-naked chokes. That included a rear-naked-choke victory over Joe Stevenson in January for the UFC's vacant lightweight belt.

[tn94z]

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I DONT CARE WHO IT IS...A GLANCING BLOW ON THE BACK OF THE HEAD WILL MAKE ANYONE WOBBLY. WE WATCHED LESNAR AND COUTURE AGAIN LAST NIGHT AND THATS WHAT HAPPENED TO RANDY TOO.

ONCE THAT HAPPENS YOU CANT HELP BUT TO GIVE IN, YOUR DONE IN THAT FIGHT AND YOUR GOING TO GET OVERWHELMED

IM STILL ROOTING FOR GSP ALL THE WAY NEXT WEEK. I HOPE HE WALKS THROUGH BJ

THat's not true. Randy got hit by a guy that out weighed him by 50lbs and has a 4x hand!! He hit Randy right around the temple. If you want to get technical, Randy was probably still feeling the effects of being wobbled earlier. Liddell lands that same shot on Randy and he is out. That is because Liddell has KO power and Brock doesn't. Some people can take a much harder shot than other people.

Look at Baby Fedor last night in Affliction. Buentello hit him with everything but the kitchen sink and HARD but he never went down. Many other fighters would have been out called with those shots. BJ is one of those people that have an iron jaw. He has always been known for that and you get that rep for a reason. GSP has NEVER been known to have KO power. Put those two statistics together and GSP will not KO BJ.

If Machida, Hughes, Sherk, Stevenson, PULVER, PULVER, PULVER, could not KO BJ, GSP can't either. I can guarantee you that GSP doesn't have the KO power that Pulver does.

[tn94z]

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Also, just because you get wobbly doesn't mean it is over. Look at Scott smith when he fought Pete Sell. Look at Chris Leben and Nog. Many fighters recover very quickly. They get what you call a flash KO where they are immediately okay. SO just because you are wobbly means nothing.

[mtnmedic]

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I watched it too, kinda hard to say who is actually training when it's left up to the camera. I thought BJ shoulda won that one he didn't have a mark on his face compared to GSP. I also wound up staying up till 23:00 just to see Larson win in just a few minutes.