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Jefferson was a deist, not a Christian. In fact he was so against the idea of Jesus being the son if god that he wrote the Jefferson bible and omitted any mention of Jesus as being Divine. He was a fan of what Jesus preached but rejected Christianity.
If you don't know what deist means, it's someone who believes in a god, not the god of the bible and doesn't believe that Jesus is the sin if god. Many if the founding fathers were deists and not Christians.
Nice anti-religion quotes man.Unfortuneately it has been challenged by many for anyone to produce any actual writings proving that Jefferson was a diest.Here's a quote from Jefferson to the contrary from the Jefferson Cylclopedie.............
To quote the Jefferson Cyclopedia (#2147)
I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a view of the universe, in all its parts, general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition...
...it is impossible I say, for the human mind not to believe that there is in all this design, cause and effect up to an ultimate cause, a fabricator of all things from matter and motion, their preserver and regulator while permitted to exist in their present forms, and their regeneration into new and other forms. We see, too evident proofs of the necessity of a superintending power to maintain the universe in its course and order...
You're confused about deism and Christian. Many people believe in god, but are not Christian. That quote above could be used to argue that Jefferson is a Muslim. Study Jefferson's writings in deism. Deists specifically reject the idea of Jesus being divine.
You're confused about deism and Christian. Many people believe in god, but are not Christian. That quote above could be used to argue that Jefferson is a Muslim. Study Jefferson's writings in deism. Deists specifically reject the idea of Jesus being divine.
Im sorry I just misunderstood your posting up those quotes.I know the ideas of diests but think their ideals are quite silly though.How one can believe in God but not Jesus is contradictory in my mind.But again,I just felt since all of your posts were anti-religion and you being a non believer and all there was a certain correlation between the 2.
I apologize if I mis-understood why you were posting them.
Many people believe in god but aren't Christians. Beliefs in many different gods have come and gone for centuries.
Christians specifically believe Jesus is the son of god. The Jews believe in god but don't think Jesus is his son.
Deists believe god does not intervene in our affairs and are generally more accepting of science and logic and dismiss superstition.
Oh I completely agree about mans creating many different Gods.I also dont believe in any one religion as being the "CORRECT" one.As I said,I keep an open mind to it all and although I do believe in a higher being,I dont believe in everything that man has written about these things.
As for them accepting science,as like the many Gods that man has created and have come and gone,more so are the sceintific beliefs that have come and gone as being just plain crazy.Our founding fathers believed that hacking a mans leg off when he was shot was the right thing to do,and for the time many times it was.We have of course learned since than there are better ways to treat such injuries.So their beliefs on many things can be questionable in todays age.
Their beliefs in not trustiing in man's governing over other men even back than can not be questioned however as their beliefs have proven themselves 100 fold today.
The word “God” in the hebrew is “Elohim” and means “mighty ones”. Elsewhere in the Bible the word has been translated “angels” (see for example Psalm 8:5 and then the apostles Paul’s endorsement of that translation in Hebrews 2:7). So this tells us that man was created in the same shape as the angels. Men do not have wings. Therefore angels do not have wings.
No where in the Bilbe does it say an angel has wings!!!
there are many other creatures that did have wings that I think people thought were angles. IE ... cherubim
What does the Bible teach about Cherubim then? We read of Cherubim in a number of places and they are described as having wings
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The word “God” in the hebrew is “Elohim” and means “mighty ones”. Elsewhere in the Bible the word has been translated “angels” (see for example Psalm 8:5 and then the apostles Paul’s endorsement of that translation in Hebrews 2:7). So this tells us that man was created in the same shape as the angels. Men do not have wings. Therefore angels do not have wings.
No where in the Bilbe does it say an angel has wings!!!
there are many other creatures that did have wings that I think people thought were angles. IE ... cherubim
What does the Bible teach about Cherubim then? We read of Cherubim in a number of places and they are described as having wings
Like I said,I belive that primitive mans depiction of flying people were based on some sort of reality.They drew what they saw so I do believe they SAW "flying" people and could only relate it to birds with wings so thats why they drew it.Im not just talking about the religious ideas people have of winged people,im talking about the countless paintings and drawings of these things.Where did primitive man get these ideas from to be able to draw them? Wasnt tv or movies.LOL
Like I said,I belive that primitive mans depiction of flying people were based on some sort of reality.They drew what they saw so I do believe they SAW "flying" people and could only relate it to birds with wings so thats why they drew it.Im not just talking about the religious ideas people have of winged people,im talking about the countless paintings and drawings of these things.Where did primitive man get these ideas from to be able to draw them? Wasnt tv or movies.LOL
i think that before Jesus came... there where more angels and also winged things people thought were angles and super nat things that went on, but after Jesus came its a matter of faith now. So i think people did paint what they saw and its just been passed down. not to say that you could not see one now, just not like back then.
ATTITUDES ARE CONTAGIOUS, MINE MIGHT KILL YOU!
"Goals are Dreams with Deadlines!"
Note: All of my advice and posts are merely for educational purposes I do not condone the use of steroids or any other illegal drugs. I am no doctor and my advice should be taken with a grain of salt, just like everyone else's hypothetical advice.
Oh I completely agree about mans creating many different Gods.I also dont believe in any one religion as being the "CORRECT" one.As I said,I keep an open mind to it all and although I do believe in a higher being,I dont believe in everything that man has written about these things.
As for them accepting science,as like the many Gods that man has created and have come and gone,more so are the sceintific beliefs that have come and gone as being just plain crazy.Our founding fathers believed that hacking a mans leg off when he was shot was the right thing to do,and for the time many times it was.We have of course learned since than there are better ways to treat such injuries.So their beliefs on many things can be questionable in todays age.
Their beliefs in not trustiing in man's governing over other men even back than can not be questioned however as their beliefs have proven themselves 100 fold today.
You sound a bit like a deist yourself.
What I meant about them being more scientific is that they valued logic, reason and rational thinking over superstition. Meaning that supernatural forces don't affect our lives including god, and that the world is a natural place w/o magic or superstition. I'm sure this is an over generalization but for the most part, they were educated scientific men who, knew all too well the problems w allowing a country to be ran be a particular religion.
My entire point, is not to say these men did not believe in god, it's obvious they did; but many of them were not Christian and fought hard to make sure that Christians would not be able to write their religion into legislation.
That's why I argue with someone who says "this is a Christian nation founded by Christian men."
It's just flat out wrong.
i think that before Jesus came... there where more angels and also winged things people thought were angles and super nat things that went on, but after Jesus came its a matter of faith now. So i think people did paint what they saw and its just been passed down. not to say that you could not see one now, just not like back then.
What I meant about them being more scientific is that they valued logic, reason and rational thinking over superstition. Meaning that supernatural forces don't affect our lives including god, and that the world is a natural place w/o magic or superstition. I'm sure this is an over generalization but for the most part, they were educated scientific men who, knew all too well the problems w allowing a country to be ran be a particular religion.
My entire point, is not to say these men did not believe in god, it's obvious they did; but many of them were not Christian and fought hard to make sure that Christians would not be able to write their religion into legislation.
That's why I argue with someone who says "this is a Christian nation founded by Christian men."
It's just flat out wrong.
No,im not a deist as I would not say Jesus did not exist.I am a realist though as I do try to base my opinions on the facts or on what makes more wense when enough facts are not available.
I agree that saying a nation is founded by Christian men is not wrong in a sense as it was formed by men and women of many releigious beliefs.I think the word "CHRISTIAN" was just used as it is and was such a huge religious following and had much influence throughout history good and bad depending.
I just believe in both science and religion and never rule out either ideas as being the answer to the un-answerable questions.I also believe to be fully whole and the best person you can be to yourself and others you have to have a certain amount of faith and not just be the byproduct of what you can prove.
if you belive in God and the bible is the truth they are not imaginary!
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Note: All of my advice and posts are merely for educational purposes I do not condone the use of steroids or any other illegal drugs. I am no doctor and my advice should be taken with a grain of salt, just like everyone else's hypothetical advice.
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