Patriot Act extended

[trip]

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closer, you guys often say i say things i never do

I never ever said TSA was good for business...........I said TSA is supported by the airlines industry and most likely thru lobbying efforts..............it takes costs and legal responsibilities totally off there plates, and has forced people to be on time and have there shyte in order.........i would imagine there insurance went sky high after 9-11 for fear of being sued to high heaven, now it is probably very low because it all falls on TSA, and good luck suing the govt

I did not say prices went up in 2000, with the internet the marginal seat propably went down, and the overall price staid at 250 bucks, it was not until 2006 that airline seats started to rise and the prices have stuck and then in 2009 they started fee's, yes, the public grumbled but airlines had no choice

and yes it is a pain in regulatory ass to get a flight route alot of that has to do with airports, whose goal is to be a hub, not a piece of real estate to rent and have marginal companies do quick flips, it costs a shyte load of money to renovate a gate, along with how a new player effects the main tenant

then u got FAA who has 7,000 planes criss crossing all the time and don't want to deal with rinky dink shyte

again my point is airlines probably view the TSA as here to stay forever, if it's here forever there best most profitable option is to have major influence on it's direction

[JsJs24]

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closer, you guys often say i say things i never do

I never ever said TSA was good for business...........I said TSA is supported by the airlines industry and most likely thru lobbying efforts

I didn't change your words Trip, here is what you said:

"TSA imho is good for there business, travelers are required to follow govt rules, not airline rules, are on time, safer, gives them more free time to charge for fee's, if it was always rush rush rush, staying on schedule would be more important"

In regard to airlines supporting TSA, I would have to see the proof. TSA has led to many people no longer traveling by air. And how can you say it forces people to be on time? I would bet more people miss flights now because of the TSA. For an insight of who lobbies for the TSA here are some fun little facts:
Rapiscan of OSI Systems is one of the two manufacturers of the body scan machines TSA has introduced at our nation’s airports. Its CEO is Deepak Chopra who contributed the max amount to Obama's campaign and accompanied the President on his trip to India.
And George Soros owns over 11,000 shares of Rapiscan.
And there are actual lobbyists who work for Rapiscan.
Here's an article on it.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/21/body-scanner-ceo-obama-india/

It's obviously not the airlines who are lobbyists for the TSA. Perhaps in some instances but not on the main machines. It is the companies who make the machines such as OSI and L-3.

You trust the government much more than I do Trip. I see through the smoke and screens. Most everything that goes on with regard to regulations has a lobbyist pushing it through. If you don't believe that to be a bad thing for Americans, small businesses, and American in general then I don't know what else to say.

[FUZO]

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YOU DID SAY IT TRIP

[trip]

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tsa is government regulatory body, i'm not too keen on most govt regs being good for business, so tsa good for business is a generalization

u guys take specifics and generalize

i said it was good for THERE business

osi, what's the point, that is how business is done

right wrong or indifferent we are the government

i'm sure you can google tsa, airlines and lobbying and find out, yet, i can't fathom how they are not, this impacts there business tremendously, what was it in 2006 we all woke up and couldn't carry on small bottles of liquids, how do u think that effected them, and slowly that rule has been modified to whatever it is today, which i haven't a clue what it is

[JsJs24]

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tsa is government regulatory body, i'm not too keen on most govt regs being good for business, so tsa good for business is a generalization

u guys take specifics and generalize

i said it was good for THERE business

osi, what's the point, that is how business is done

right wrong or indifferent we are the government

i'm sure you can google tsa, airlines and lobbying and find out, yet, i can't fathom how they are not, this impacts there business tremendously, what was it in 2006 we all woke up and couldn't carry on small bottles of liquids, how do u think that effected them, and slowly that rule has been modified to whatever it is today, which i haven't a clue what it is

I take it for what it is, which is bad for business. There are a lot of people in this country that quit traveling because of the TSA and all their rules. I know everyone at my work site chooses to drive to AZ (8-9 hours) instead of flying. It's because they don't want to hassle with TSA and getting to the airport early, etc.

And it is not a good thing that lobbyists got the government to accept x-ray machines that have not been properly tested in a test environment. There are scientists complaining about that. They said the company that makes the machines was aloud to do their own tests at their factory,and did not have to use the specific types of equipment required to read those levels of radiation. So basically it could be very hazardous to your health to go through them but since lobbyists convinced the TSA to use them it's a done deal.

I strongly suggest you read Human Action by Ludwig von Mises. I think you would enjoy the book very much and it would clear up a lot. After that maybe you could read some of Hayek's work, such as The Road to Serfdom. Hayek does an excellent job of explaining why it is bad to have a centrally planned economy.

[trip]

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I am either totally out in left field or 100% correct, and cause we've been debating this stuff for 6 years i'm gonna post my WTF is really going on in the world.

IMHO, the patriot act is the lynch pin, for whatever reason i get a total sense of dred with this bill, rules or whatever you want to call it, it is imho, propaganda personified and a total boa constricter of freedom

yet, sometimes you gotta think what the benefit is, and why the it was enacted and what are the benefits, be damned the damage or colloateral damage

I'm getting a sense this is legislation that in 90 years will be on par with the federal reserve act.

Here's my summary

We have Too Big Too Fail Banks

We have Too Politically Connected Corporations to not have the government protect your overseas business interests no matter, ie, legally, financially, militarily, and this positions in halls of power world wide is understood by other rich people in other countries, they get the gig and know how too game the system, ie, u can ride with us, get rich, but not big or dominant, capiche

We are too Politically Dominant worldwide, (freedom is univsersal desire by all humans)
too even consider any other postion, and or alternative.

thus, the only risk to this scenario is local civil unrest, ie, terrorism by our own people on our own govt.

The War on Terror, Sun Tsu would say, it's all about diverstion strategies

War is always always good for business, what better war than a War that can never ever end.............................

I'm really really starting to believe our government fears it's own people, not that that is it's main intention................i somewhat believe they have good intentions.........yet they are so big and powerfull they can't even fathom too begin unintended consequences.

I write this because today, to sign up a child for summer school in my city we had too go too sign up, there were two cops there, wtf, 60 parents, summer school and u need two frgn cops, GOVT. ARE THERE ACTIONS, they are scared too death of us

In my heart of hearts I cannot explain this last decade any other way.

And with each passing day, I will now pray, which is i feel the only power i have, for Ron Paul to be victorious.............................

Why you might ask, YOU PULL THE MILITARY HOME WORLDWIDE, and watch how many companies stop shipping jobs overseas becasue they will not have the full faith and credit and banking of the biggest military in the world

AND IMHO WE WILL ROCK THIS ECONOMY FOR 30 MORE YEARS AND THE WORLD WILL BE BETTER OFF, THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD

so, now i will pray for this outcome everday

good luck too all

[JsJs24]

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I am either totally out in left field or 100% correct, and cause we've been debating this stuff for 6 years i'm gonna post my WTF is really going on in the world.

YEARS AND THE WORLD WILL BE BETTER OFF, THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD

so, now i will pray for this outcome everday

good luck too all

I hear you Trip and understand what you think, but I don't think this is the case. I believe the Patriot Act is and always was meant to take away our 4th Amendment right. If it was only for the war then why are they allowing cops to use it for drug busts and everything else. In regard to the cops everywhere, that is because American is becoming a police state, much like Fascist Italy and **** Germany had. We are not to that extreme yet but the seeds are definitely sewn. We are at the point where Americans are worried and scared when a cop confronts them or pulls them over, even if they know they are a law abiding citizen. A large number of those in law enforcement love the power and I believe it's the only reason they signed up.

A huge misunderstanding by most people and the government is that wars are good for the economy. I don't believe that to be the case at all, nor do I believe it is what got us out of the Great Depression. The war is what is bankrupting us, along with SS and Medicaid. There is no profit to be made in war. The government can only spend what it prints out of thin air or borrows because there is not enough tax revenue to cover it. This will prove true if we continue to remain at war. Our currency will go bust. All that is holding it up is confidence. China has already lost theirs and it showed when they sold off 97% of their U.S. bonds last week. Of course we do have the guns and power to destroy any country out there which is why we may drag it out longer than most countries would be able to, but eventually something drastic will have to occur. The reason gold and silver are so high is because people are losing confidence in the dollar. If you watch the market gold and silver are up when the dollar is down, and vice versa. This is true across the world no just in U.S. currency. Investors want a safe haven to put their money and gold is that place. Inflation has set in at a fairly high rate but the CPI won't reveal it because they exclude food and fuel. How ridiculous is that? Lol! The two most important things we spend on other than mortgages and they don't even include it. Fuel and commodities are up significantly which indicates inflation has set in. If all one does is listens to the government they will never know the facts. The government is full of propaganda. They will not tell us the truth. Even the GDP is a poor indicator of how well the economy is performing. Then you can look at M0, M1, and M2, but guess what, they stopped using M3. The government is shady, which proves they are hiding the truth. Why can't the Federal Reserve be audited? Did you know that the most of the money from the bailouts that the Federal Reserve printed went to foreign banks?

There are no good intentions done by the government. The government knows no bounds and only intends to grow as large as it can - leviathan. And the fact that they can't stand Ron Paul proves even more how corrupt they are. The one man who represents freedom and prosperity more than any other politician living or dead imo and nobody in either party likes him. It's because he is not corrupt. I have even heard the news claim that if he is elected we would lose our freedoms. That is despicable. The one man who truly represents freedom and they claim he will take it away. But there are idiots out there who will believe that. Most Americans believe anything you feed them as long as it is not the truth. They are afraid of the truth. And that my friend is why we are headed for trouble.