Evolution is a myth?

[straydoglogic]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

Here's the irreducible complexity. Garbage. As for the human eye. It's far from perfect. Octupus can see as well as we do and the eagle can see much better. There are some creatures with no working eyes at all. Some have simple black dots that have formed over millions or billions of years. It's all about the concavement of the eye that allows us to see the way we due, to process light and shadow.
Man I hate that eye argument. It doesn't work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TEKDWAe_b8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duBW9QabXfw&p=15EBB0D53D9000B3&playnext=1&index=14

Done.

http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/design2/article.html

[JsJs24]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

Common misconception. We never used to be monkeys, we stem from the same branch of the evolutionary tree. We are more closely related to chimpanzee than we are monkeys. Look at this chart and better understand how it works. We didn't come from monkeys.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ape_and_Human_Evolution_Tree.JPG

Study biology,geology and the like and it's pretty evident that evolution cannot be disproved.

I would suggest people watch Ben Stein's Expelled to get an idea of how much is still unproven in the evolution science. I am stunned that so many on here believe it, but then again many of you may have simply studied at schools more in the mainstream. When I think of evolution I think of Darwin, and when I think of Darwin I think of a crack pot lunatic. Eugenics was another great idea that sicko was behind. There are as many scientists against it as there are the climate change the debate. And if you watch Expelled by Ben Stein, you will see that those who go against the evolutionists are fired, prevented from getting tenure, and careers simply destroyed. Well, if evolution is fact and proven as some of you have said, then what is there to be scared of. Why would the college elitist professors be so harsh on those who question it.

Let me suggest one piece of advice that hardly anyone will listen to. Question anything the schools and government tell you, especially when it is debatable to begin with. Those who believe evolution is already proved might as well go on believing in global warming because it is literally the same people behind it and they stick to the same routine of destroying the careers and reputations of those in opposition.

There are many theories on the creation of human life. I don't know which one to believe, nor do I really care to much to find out. But my opinion of the evolution movement is to destroy people's faith in a higher intelligence, or God. This way people will look to the almighty state as the all powerful and remove God from their lives. But you don't have to be a religious person to not believe in evolution, as I am not a religious person, I just don't buy into loosely based theories that are supported by the state, the leader in brainwashing.

[FUZO]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

Fuzo, I read your post and it's total bs. I can find evidence to disprove every single sentence within it. I could go to any creationist site and come up with the same thing. I get so tired of the missing link statement, when there is no missing link. I think these types of thing reflect why this nation is so far behind other developed nations in math and science.

your talking about the article I posted about evolution.you go ahead and disprove everything then then go get a wiji board and see what Charles Darwin says about it because I could care less I dont beieve we evolved from any type of monkey gorlilla chimp or what not. I believe in god and thats it .So do you believe we evolved from monkeys or chimpanzees or what ever

[JsJs24]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

Fuzo, I read your post and it's total bs. I can find evidence to disprove every single sentence within it. I could go to any creationist site and come up with the same thing. I get so tired of the missing link statement, when there is no missing link. I think these types of thing reflect why this nation is so far behind other developed nations in math and science.

One simple fact has me in disbelief of evolution no matter what they come up with. To create a living organism by mere accident such as the big bang theory is hard to imagine. The chances of life forming by accident are 10 to the 10123 power to 1. Please read this article. It discusses Famous British mathematician Roger Penrose's argument against Einstein's theory. Penrose is a close friend of Steven Hawking.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9517362/The-Created-Universe-A-Beginning-for-the-Chance-of-Life

That pretty much sums up my reason for not going along with the evolutionists. I will admit that I do not know a whole lot about the subject, but I have watched Expelled and read a little bit about both theories. Furthermore, I don't feel it worthwhile to learn about the topic anymore considering the reason I listed for not believing in evolution. However, I suspect that it is plausible to have evolution for humans and have higher intelligence as the means of creating the original form of life. Yet, I still can't buy into the evolution theory as there is not enough evidence to convince me, and again, the government pushes the theory too much for me to believe it as I question boldly anything the government attempts to force us to believe. For those interested in a good debate of the two theories, I highly recommend you watch the documentary "Expelled" by Ben Stein.

[straydoglogic]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

One simple fact has me in disbelief of evolution no matter what they come up with. To create a living organism by mere accident such as the big bang theory is hard to imagine. The chances of life forming by accident are 10 to the 10123 power to 1. Please read this article. It discusses Famous British mathematician Roger Penrose's argument against Einstein's theory. Penrose is a close friend of Steven Hawking.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9517362/The-Created-Universe-A-Beginning-for-the-Chance-of-Life

That pretty much sums up my reason for not going along with the evolutionists. I will admit that I do not know a whole lot about the subject, but I have watched Expelled and read a little bit about both theories. Furthermore, I don't feel it worthwhile to learn about the topic anymore considering the reason I listed for not believing in evolution. However, I suspect that it is plausible to have evolution for humans and have higher intelligence as the means of creating the original form of life. Yet, I still can't buy into the evolution theory as there is not enough evidence to convince me, and again, the government pushes the theory too much for me to believe it as I question boldly anything the government attempts to force us to believe. For those interested in a good debate of the two theories, I highly recommend you watch the documentary "Expelled" by Ben Stein.

This is where you're confusing evolution with abiogenesis. Evolution has nothing to do with the big bang or the beginning of life itself. It has to do with the mutations and transformations of living organisms and how they change so that the species can survive.
As for Expelled, it's ridiculous. I can't say a lot about it because I couldn't watch the entire thing. You said that you don't have a lot of interest on the subject so I wont give you links to documentaries and books unless you tell me you would like to see them.
You say that there is not enough evidence, but that would simply mean that you haven't seen all of the evidence. Evolution is no longer just a theory, it's a fact. Another thing that some argue is that it's termed the "Theory" of evolution. Theory in normal terms is vastly different than theory in scientific terms. You could say that the theory of relativity is simply a theory, but for those that do, I would invite to jump pout a 10 story building. Gravity exist and we all know it even though it is still coined "theory". Theory in the scientific term means something that can be tested over and over again and prove to be sustainable. There is nothing out there that can refute evolution.
Please don't simply recommend Expelled as a good primer for the evolutionary debate because there is so much more out there from actual biologists and scientists that are far more educational. Would I take knowledge on the subject from the likes of Dawkins, Hawking, Dennett, and Sam Harris or Ben Stein? If you develop any interest in the subject let me know and I can show you a lot of things.

[straydoglogic]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

I would suggest people watch Ben Stein's Expelled to get an idea of how much is still unproven in the evolution science. I am stunned that so many on here believe it, but then again many of you may have simply studied at schools more in the mainstream. When I think of evolution I think of Darwin, and when I think of Darwin I think of a crack pot lunatic. Eugenics was another great idea that sicko was behind. There are as many scientists against it as there are the climate change the debate. And if you watch Expelled by Ben Stein, you will see that those who go against the evolutionists are fired, prevented from getting tenure, and careers simply destroyed. Well, if evolution is fact and proven as some of you have said, then what is there to be scared of. Why would the college elitist professors be so harsh on those who question it.

Let me suggest one piece of advice that hardly anyone will listen to. Question anything the schools and government tell you, especially when it is debatable to begin with. Those who believe evolution is already proved might as well go on believing in global warming because it is literally the same people behind it and they stick to the same routine of destroying the careers and reputations of those in opposition.

There are many theories on the creation of human life. I don't know which one to believe, nor do I really care to much to find out. But my opinion of the evolution movement is to destroy people's faith in a higher intelligence, or God. This way people will look to the almighty state as the all powerful and remove God from their lives. But you don't have to be a religious person to not believe in evolution, as I am not a religious person, I just don't buy into loosely based theories that are supported by the state, the leader in brainwashing.

I want to start with your claim about Darwin and eugenics. There is only half truth in that. I believe the eugenics you are referring to would be the eugenics of population control, which Darwin had no interest in. You must first understand the meaning of eugenics before giving it the evil connotation that it has today. Here's an excerpt.

The specter of eugenics hovers over virtually all contemporary developments in human genetics. Eugenics was rooted in the social Darwinism of the late 19th century, a period in which notions of fitness, competition, and biological rationalizations of inequality were popular. At the time, a growing number of theorists introduced Darwinian analogies of "survival of the fittest" into social argument. Many social Darwinists insisted that biology was destiny, at least for the unfit, and that a broad spectrum of socially deleterious traits, ranging from "pauperism" to mental illness, resulted from heredity.


The word "eugenics" was coined in 1883 by the English scientist Francis Galton, a cousin of Charles Darwin, to promote the ideal of perfecting the human race by, as he put it, getting rid of its "undesirables" while multiplying its "desirables" -- that is, by encouraging the procreation of the social Darwinian fit and discouraging that of the unfit. In Galton's day, the science of genetics was not yet understood. Nevertheless, Darwin's theory of evolution taught that species did change as a result of natural selection, and it was well known that by artificial selection a farmer could obtain permanent breeds of plants and animals strong in particular characteristics. Galton wondered, "Could not the race of men be similarly improved?"

You say that there are a many scientist against evolution as there are climate change. Untrue. The National Academy of Science named evolution one of the 5 most important discoveries and studies. Over 99.8% of specialists in the biological and geological sciences support the theory of evolution. The scientists that you refer to most likely do not specialize in biology or geology.



"But my opinion of the evolution movement is to destroy people's faith in a higher intelligence, or God."

This is not true either. A scientists duty is to discover and test tangible evidence. Some of us are just fascinated with the world, nature, the universe etc. I love the knowledge, it's not about attacking faith, it's about finding out how we came to be and where we are going.

You say that there are many theories about where life came from, again that would be abiogenesis which is different than evolution, but for arguments sake, I would like to hear a few because the only others that I know of are Intelligent Design which has been disproved and, well, I guess that's the only one.


"This way people will look to the almighty state as the all powerful and remove God from their lives."

You know I'm no statist, but I am an Atheist, so this statement holds no water. Being an Atheist or believing in evolution has nothing to do with state control.

"I just don't buy into loosely based theories "
It is far from a loosely based theory, we have millions of years of evidence. It is out there but you have to find it. Of all people I would certainly expect you do know the importance of researching things for yourself. Again, I know you said your interest on this matter is lacking, but it's my favorite subject in the entire world, and if you change your mind and would like to learn some things about it I would gladly supply you with plenty of information.

[JsJs24]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

This is where you're confusing evolution with abiogenesis. Evolution has nothing to do with the big bang or the beginning of life itself. It has to do with the mutations and transformations of living organisms and how they change so that the species can survive.
As for Expelled, it's ridiculous. I can't say a lot about it because I couldn't watch the entire thing. You said that you don't have a lot of interest on the subject so I wont give you links to documentaries and books unless you tell me you would like to see them.
You say that there is not enough evidence, but that would simply mean that you haven't seen all of the evidence. Evolution is no longer just a theory, it's a fact. Another thing that some argue is that it's termed the "Theory" of evolution. Theory in normal terms is vastly different than theory in scientific terms. You could say that the theory of relativity is simply a theory, but for those that do, I would invite to jump pout a 10 story building. Gravity exist and we all know it even though it is still coined "theory". Theory in the scientific term means something that can be tested over and over again and prove to be sustainable. There is nothing out there that can refute evolution.
Please don't simply recommend Expelled as a good primer for the evolutionary debate because there is so much more out there from actual biologists and scientists that are far more educational. Would I take knowledge on the subject from the likes of Dawkins, Hawking, Dennett, and Sam Harris or Ben Stein? If you develop any interest in the subject let me know and I can show you a lot of things.

I have no interest and unfortunately, though we usually agree, I am entirely in disagreement on the topic. I am actually surprised that at how adamant you are about evolution, considering it is the biggest government indoctrination of them all. In addition, the fact that you discredited Expelled leads me to not trust your resources. If you can't admit that professors who are fired for speaking out is ridiculous and should raise questions, then you are not being academically honest with yourself. I'm sure you're aware my brother is a professor, which provides me insight to a lot of the bs that goes on in colleges. The science department is one of the most academically dishonest departments of them all and is dominated by radical left wing minded thinkers.

Also, to say that I was off topic is not true. The debate is between evolution and creationism. Obviously the string theory is one of the theories that has everything to do with creation, but not specifically life. At any rate, If you can prove to me how a living organism can be formed by life then I might listen. But here's the fact of the matter, my life will not change based off whether or not evolution is true or false. Politics can however, impact my life. Scientists for the most part are wacked out radicals whom I care to hear nothing from. The good ones are those on Expelled that continue to get fired for going against the mainstream. The same holds true in economics if you go against Keynesian Economics, and also in science if you go against climate change. You have somehow decided that the government and radical left wing scientists are correct on this matter and need not be contested. Thus, I am shocked at your close minded approach to the subject.

Answer this one question for me. If the science is proven or on the verge of being proved, then why do scientists continue to lose their teaching positions and statuses if they oppose the theory? Don't you think that it should raise questions about something if those who support it are afraid to debate it? Also, doesn't it seem strange that scientists are supposed to welcome opposing theories and test their hypothesis, yet adamantly refuse in regard to evolution? And lastly, why don't you find it odd that the federal government strongly supports the notion of evolution?

[JsJs24]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

I want to start with your claim about Darwin and eugenics. There is only half truth in that. I believe the eugenics you are referring to would be the eugenics of population control, which Darwin had no interest in. You must first understand the meaning of eugenics before giving it the evil connotation that it has today. Here's an excerpt.

"This way people will look to the almighty state as the all powerful and remove God from their lives."

You know I'm no statist, but I am an Atheist, so this statement holds no water. Being an Atheist or believing in evolution has nothing to do with state control.

"I just don't buy into loosely based theories "
It is far from a loosely based theory, we have millions of years of evidence. It is out there but you have to find it. Of all people I would certainly expect you do know the importance of researching things for yourself. Again, I know you said your interest on this matter is lacking, but it's my favorite subject in the entire world, and if you change your mind and would like to learn some things about it I would gladly supply you with plenty of information.

I am not in need of a lecture on eugenics, nor do I wish to expand my knowledge on the subject. As with evolution, it is not going to change my life one bit. All I know and care is that Germany's beloved leader seemed to admire Darwin very much so, and whether he twisted the idea of eugenics to a new meaning is not something that I am concerned with.

As for evolution, you are allowing your atheism to get in the way of reality. You are forced to believe that man must have come from a monkey, but then I ask you, who created the monkey. I suppose you could tell me monkeys evolved from other monkeys and so forth, but you haven't told me where the original monkey came from. This does not interest me still because you haven't explained to me how life is created in the beginning while accounting for the odds against it of 10 to the 10123 power to 1.

I recall you telling me that your girlfriend recently finished college, thus, I must consider the possibility that some convincing professors may have sold her on the subject, or perhaps while you were in college you were sold it. But I can assure you, those science professors aren't attempting to prove or disprove anything, they merely take it as fact and ask the government to make it mandatory learning. The indoctrination has thus far worked on you apparently, because you have already showed proof that you will ignore other such theories such as the documentary Expelled, which only intends to show that there is another side to the debate and it is not being heard, plus the professors are losing their teaching positions. But none of that interested you, thus I mention indoctrination must have worked.

You say evolution has nothing to do with state control, and here you really show your bias. How could it not have anything to do with state control when the state has objected to any other theories being taught in school other than evolution. You are driving yourself into a corner here, and I could go on and on and on. It has nothing to do with my knowledge on the subject but instead, it has everything to do with the fact that there are other theories that the science community and government refuse to hear.

Why does it matter if you are an atheist? Could man have not gotten here the same way as the monkey instead of from a monkey? You haven't considered that or else ruled it out. Who said that I am religious? Did I offer that at some point unknowingly?
I like to consider all theories before making a decision, perhaps you should try that some day.

[FUZO]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

As for evolution, you are allowing your atheism to get in the way of reality

This was one of the first things I thought when I was reading strays post about this subject

[JsJs24]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

Straydoglogic, I would like to assure you that I do not mean any disrespect in the my earlier replies. I do agree with you on most things political, but as with most people who discuss controversial topics, we have stumbled upon something which we disagree.

I will admit ignorance on the topic of evolution. For me to claim anything other than that would simply be wrong. However, as with most subjects, I do know enough to form a general opinion but not enough to go into deep discussion. Thus, the evidence I mentioned is all I base my view on, and at this point, I feel it is all I need to convince myself that the science isn't yet proven. However, I may one day take you up on your offer to get some links on the topic, though I would also find information disputing it. That is how I do my research, by studying each theory and then determining which one makes the most since.

[straydoglogic]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

Also, to say that I was off topic is not true. The debate is between evolution and creationism. . You have somehow decided that the government and radical left wing scientists are correct on this matter and need not be contested. Thus, I am shocked at your close minded approach to the subject.

Answer this one question for me. If the science is proven or on the verge of being proved, then why do scientists continue to lose their teaching positions and statuses if they oppose the theory? Don't you think that it should raise questions about something if those who support it are afraid to debate it? Also, doesn't it seem strange that scientists are supposed to welcome opposing theories and test their hypothesis, yet adamantly refuse in regard to evolution? And lastly, why don't you find it odd that the federal government strongly supports the notion of evolution?

First let's start by reminding you that I said I never finished watching expelled. And I don't take this subject and it's truth's from the government or left wingers, that's nonsense and I don't even know where you get that idea. I get the information from people like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennet,Neil deGrasse Tyson, Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan. I'm not sure that you can say these men have no credibility.
Also, I didn't say you were off topic, I said in a statment you made that you were confusing evolution with abiogenesis, and I believe that you did it again in this post. Abiogenesis is the study of how life on Earth could have arisen from inanimate matter. Evolution is how living organisms change and develop to their surroundings.
You say that they don't welcome opposing theories, this isn't true. The field of science is about testing other things against current theories and information. The bottom line is, there is no other current theory that can disprove evolution. Intelligent design has been proven false. The only other theory that I'm aware of is the biblical story.
And no, I don't find it odd at all that the government supports evolution. They don't get everything wrong.
You said you have no interest in this subject and it happens to be my favorite subject, so there is really no point in arguing my views if you're not open to them. So I may as well leave this thread alone after today.

[straydoglogic]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

One simple fact has me in disbelief of evolution no matter what they come up with. To create a living organism by mere accident such as the big bang theory is hard to imagine. The chances of life forming by accident are 10 to the 10123 power to 1. Please read this article. It discusses Famous British mathematician Roger Penrose's argument against Einstein's theory. Penrose is a close friend of Steven Hawking.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9517362/The-Created-Universe-A-Beginning-for-the-Chance-of-Life

That pretty much sums up my reason for not going along with the evolutionists. I will admit that I do not know a whole lot about the subject, but I have watched Expelled and read a little bit about both theories. Furthermore, I don't feel it worthwhile to learn about the topic anymore considering the reason I listed for not believing in evolution. However, I suspect that it is plausible to have evolution for humans and have higher intelligence as the means of creating the original form of life. Yet, I still can't buy into the evolution theory as there is not enough evidence to convince me, and again, the government pushes the theory too much for me to believe it as I question boldly anything the government attempts to force us to believe. For those interested in a good debate of the two theories, I highly recommend you watch the documentary "Expelled" by Ben Stein.

Again, you mention the big bang which has nothing to do with evolution! Nothing! And in every post you make you mention Expelled.You're taking your entire view from that one film. You know the importance of researching and studying, I'm surprised that you are basing everything from one movie.

[straydoglogic]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

So do you believe we evolved from monkeys or chimpanzees or what ever

Yes, it's been proven through dna and fossil records. But I'm not going to debate you over it because there is no point debating a theist on this matter.

[BABY1]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

Yes, it's been proven through dna and fossil records. But I'm not going to debate you over it because there is no point debating a theist on this matter.

Thank God, lol!

[straydoglogic]

Re: Evolution is a myth?

As for evolution, you are allowing your atheism to get in the way of reality. You are forced to believe that man must have come from a monkey, but then I ask you, who created the monkey. I suppose you could tell me monkeys evolved from other monkeys and so forth, but you haven't told me where the original monkey came from. This does not interest me still because you haven't explained to me how life is created in the beginning while accounting for the odds against it of 10 to the 10123 power to 1.

I recall you telling me that your girlfriend recently finished college, thus, I must consider the possibility that some convincing professors may have sold her on the subject, or perhaps while you were in college you were sold it. But I can assure you, those science professors aren't attempting to prove or disprove anything, they merely take it as fact and ask the government to make it mandatory learning. The indoctrination has thus far worked on you apparently, because you have already showed proof that you will ignore other such theories such as the documentary Expelled, which only intends to show that there is another side to the debate and it is not being heard, plus the professors are losing their teaching positions. But none of that interested you, thus I mention indoctrination must have worked.

You say evolution has nothing to do with state control, and here you really show your bias. How could it not have anything to do with state control when the state has objected to any other theories being taught in school other than evolution. You are driving yourself into a corner here, and I could go on and on and on. It has nothing to do with my knowledge on the subject but instead, it has everything to do with the fact that there are other theories that the science community and government refuse to hear.

Why does it matter if you are an atheist? Could man have not gotten here the same way as the monkey instead of from a monkey? You haven't considered that or else ruled it out. Who said that I am religious? Did I offer that at some point unknowingly?
I like to consider all theories before making a decision, perhaps you should try that some day.

First of all, we didn't come from monkeys. Our closest cousin is the chimp. And we didn't "come" from them we branched off on the evolutionary tree. As for where did the monkey come from? It started from the Euarchontoglires and went on to Euarchonta and then to Primatomorpha where it branched off into two groups, one being Dermoptera (flying lemurs), and the other being the primates. That's where monkey's came from. I hate that argument, well, where did this come from. Nobody ever said we know where the universe came from. But we do know where species of life came from.
As for my girlfriend, she is a devout catholic, but yes she believes evolution. They teach evolution in private catholic schools, where she attended and her mother also taught. Which brings to say that the Vatican even supports evolution. I've spent many hours on this subject, and I mean MANY. This is where I was "sold" on it. What does that even mean? People have to be tricked into knowledge? Absurd.
Driving myself into a corner? Are you kidding? That's not possible when you have little knowledge on the subject. You speak of other theories. Tell me what they are. I haven't heard a single one, other than possibly Intelligent Design, that's been destroyed over and over again.
I don't recall ever claiming that you were religious either. Why does it matter if I'm Atheist? You say you don't care because it doesn't have an effect on your life. I'm sorry to tell you that religion has as much effect on your life as politics do. They are intertwined and can be used together to control and manipulate. Do you think that the many members in congress and senate don't let their religions have any impact on their votes or legislation?
I don't be so condescending. It's ugly. Don't tell me that I haven't seen other sides of the debate, you have no idea how much time I've put into this.