WORST SPEECH EVER BY A PRESIDENT

[trip]

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you have extremely selective memory

1. i am a libertarian and have been for 30 years

2. i said from day one he would be elected, how and why, and i was right

3. i said nothing how he would lead

peoples ranting have almost zero to do with poles imho, he himself is making some huge mistakes

TO LEAD FIRST YOU MUST UNDERSTAND

he is completely missing the fact say what you want about bush he was clear and definitive and strong........always

in comparison, which is what everyone is doing, he looks very indecisive, wishy washy and weak, perceptions do matter

the wall street ****ery has continued and they have done nothing about it, it is business as usual, the new legislation is essentially, oh banks will fail so we plan so save them and anticipate having to save them, so they essentially set up a a system to allow them too wash rinse repeat the whole rigamoroll

the more research I do, the more I come to the conclusion all the banks are insolvent and have been for 18 months or so, and all the men behind closed doors know it, and the only way to prevent total collapse is too re-inflate, stimulus, etc. etc.

the general believe is that we were saved from the second great depression, well, the more research i do it was not the great depression we were up against but everyone knowing all the banks were bankrupt six ways too sunday, and if that was well known, the united states government would be next

my guess is that is what obama walked into, and he's making stuff up on the fly as he goes, and overall doing as little too disrupt the least,

dubai defaults yet the real news is north korea devalues there currency 100-1, that's right, if you're 50 years old in n. korea saved you're whole life for retirement, had let's say 50,000 fortune cookies or whatever there currency is, you now wake up today and have 500...............why did this happen, military dictatorship, for fifteen years they have made there money mainly thru fear and pay-offs, oh we might go nuke, pay us some money, when world goes to hell no one pays the extra moeny, oops n. korea is bankrupt in a day, these were quote unquote the axis of evil, anyone who did some reserach knew for a fact they couldn't even feed there people

so, imho, this is the first time obama has laid out his own agenda and we see how it goes......

[FUZO]

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You call yourelf a libertarian but heres a old quote from one of your posts back in july 2008 and you praise this guy like he's the 2nd coming or something and in reality he's done nothing for this country but to mess it up even more and again you praise himmagain about a speech he read off of a prompter again. Yep I guess you know he sure is that good. . 2010 here we come 2012 watch out blojama your out. Boy that quote sounds like its coming from a liberal. But itsd funny now you say he is maing mistakes but before you had nothing but praise for him but we all knew what he was about and how weak and his policies and being a Jr senator and having no Experience and oh boy is it showing.And alsoyou said he wa the first president who talked to us like adults,I think you have your thinking cap on wrong again.


on a side note: Man barack knocked it out of the park, his speech in germany blew me away again, and i know he is that good, and he did it again, speech was awesome

[Cytec]

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WOW that must hurt LMAO!

[FUZO]

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cytec this member trip praised the hell out of blojama like he was the fix all and could do no harm. And my point from the begining was he was nothing but a con with no experience and hung with bad associates and the media covered it up under the rug.And I was right look what he's doing to our country. But what really bothers me is that a man like trip to say this president talked to us like adults is just god awful. Yet he says he's a lbertarian but sounds way more like a left wing liberal to me. Ive gone back in old posts from the campaign and seen what was post. I cant post every little qoute but if anyone has time do a search and find out for your selves.

[Cytec]

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Tell me about it, I have lists of people who claimed there would be change, LOL. Now they don't remember these things or will not engage in discussion about it. All very good signs at least his own sheep have moved on.

[trip]

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when you quote you should quote, you haven't quoted shit

I said endlessly he was running a great campaign, that is strategy, I also said based on what I saw he had the makings of a great leader.

I have zero information as to what the f'ck is sitting on his desk, and why he makes the decisions he does, right now I give him the benefit of the doubt.

IMHO, he talked to us like adults, you don't like that, wow, that makes me feel very bad, not, it's a friggin opinon.

I happen to also point out right and wrongs. I'm saying he is looking wish wasy, today is a perfect example.

Who of us hasn't been to one of those company meetings, oh we will be better, and they yammer for two hours and you break up into small groups, and everyone gives there two pennies and nothing get's done. I've always thought those meetings were th biggest waiste of time, if the guy at the top don't know this stuff he doesn't belong there.

So, he holds a conference on jobs, people break up into groups, that's teenage waisteland shit and makes him looks weak.

If people knew the statistical facts on employemnet going back twenty years, and what monthly gains and losses were and where we are now in comparison, people would be shocked...........................

Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs, you don't hire unless you believe you will have demand, if you are confident in that you estimate costs, well, tell me please someone tell me, what do you budget for anything these days, will oil be 40 a barrell or 140, copper a buck a pound or 6, health care, know theres a nice crap shoot, majority of business's can't budget crap right now.

Now, add in state and county budgets, if you think california is the only ones, think not, they all have massive massive budget problems, not some measely 2-5%, 15-20-30% problems, that will only get worse as you take into account budgets and borrowing were based on 30% higher for taxes, and sales taxes 20% higher, each year it is going to get worse for them.

Watch next year, and weep, we haven't seen foreclosures even near an end, all of the option arms reset next year, they are expected to default at higher than subprimes, which were from 05-07, these arms go back 03-04-05-06, and everyone is way underwater and there rates will be going up 20-30%

[FUZO]

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I also said based on what I saw he had the makings of a great leader

Like a left wing liberal based on what you saw but you say your a liberaltarian could of fooled me. And just like a libera youl only saw the bull shit he spewed which now is being proven true and the american people are now seeing the same thing but you saw a making of a great leader. Looks like to me trip I can sell you the brooklyn bridge and you would fall for that to or maybe even the golden gate.You have liberal written all over you but you cant see it

[JsJs24]

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roflmao, seeing as how 99% of folks don't know crap about military strategy it makes me laugh

there is nothing more than the al quida would love to do than bankrupt american like they did the soviet union, obama clearly stated, ain't gonna happen, you got 1.5 years you're in or your out

jesus folks, the number one cause of country failures is the military

i'd bet lot's of money he wrote the speech himself, and did not use a monitor, and practiced it a dozen or so times

fuzo, you really think people loved to be bullied, critized and told what the f'k to do

you can't face the facts that bush and cheney f'k us up the ass six ways to sunday, any general historian knows the shyte i do just by reading books

a. you go to war, you short the countries currency, and buy commodities, this crap continues to this day, every f'n day in the news a bad f'k dollar, hell, it's been going down since 2002, gosh the media is just now talking about it when it is about to fall off a cliff

b. bush allowed 40-1 leverage by banks

c. they invaded iraq, gosh, you got one war going, let's go for two

wall street screwed those two idioets nine ways too sunday, and then bush saved the idiots when they blew up the banks, those are the facts, it ain't liberal, independent, republican, those are facts facts facts, wall street f'k bush and cheney to the nines, and obama get's the mess, i am not impressed at all how he is handling it, at all

i'm saying, this is the first rationale thing he's done imho

Then let's assume I'm the 1% that does. I am a two time Iraq war veteran and been back 4 more times (1 Afghanistan) since getting out and heading back for another 6 months to Iraq in the next couple months. My job has to do with surveillance for the Army and prior to that the Air Force. I assure you that by telling the Taliban and Al Qaeda that you plan to withdraw will not settle easily. My prediction is a lot more Americans will be killed while trying to save a country that is not worth saving. Anyone who has ever been to Afghanistan will understand what I mean. It is a dump, 10 times worse than Iraq. It is dirt roads, caves, and people living in ancient times. I would like to be more optimistic but I have seen that hell hole and do not know how in the world we will even be victorious. The Russians failed after 10 years of trying and realize that they do not fight under the same bs rules that we do. Our soldiers have to worry more about getting punished by their own government than what the enemy may do to them. Anyway, my point is the President's speech was horrible and apparently you know nothing about military strategy, and if you were in the military I hope to hell it was not an intel unit. But as for why wars start I will agree with you Trip that it is mostly financial, and of course for more world power. However, my point is to wage a war correctly you do not give out the fact that you may withdraw after 18 months, as we are fighting a patient enemy. We should pull the hell out and beef up our defenses. The only way to fight this war is by massive carpet bombing and that won't happen.

[FUZO]

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Anyway, my point is the President's speech was horrible and apparently you know nothing about military strategy

Exactly JSJS24 thats all trip has done is praise this fukin horrible scum bag president and this coc k sucker of a president again has done nothing for our country but make it weaker for our enemies and make our economy suffer even more.And This still baffles me that trip says he didnt use a teleprompter when in his speech you see them. You also see a bunch of sleeping cadets that are bored out of there minds.


and I just have to post this quote again

I also said based on what I saw he had the makings of a great leader

trip and all his degrees he's accomplished and what he does for a living he sure is fukin blind to the fact that blojama is no great leader how he comes up with this I would like to know so I hope he posts why he thinks he's such a great leader. You know the guy that voted present all the time as a junior senator and hung out with all those radicals and who's he has associated himself with.The same guy who took all those months whether to decide to send 30,000 troops

[FUZO]

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wait i'm not done yet. since trip is that smart has he ever told us that its going to take all those years before the health care wil kick in if it did get passed which it wont but did anyone ever hear trip say that, No liberlas dont want to mention that. liberals dont want to raise the question of tort reform or cross state lines for insurance for better competition but he's a liberaltarian though

[trip]

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js,

thanks for your service, i can't imagine the stress and strain you guys have been under

I happen to agree with you on the one point, we should have carpet bombed and carpet bombed and carpet bombed from day one.

I disagree on time issue thing, yes it is not normal to give out strategy, yet, in this instance everyone knows exactly what everyone is doing. The time line is because it puts pressure on Karside and Pakistan and others, to get in line, if you do you are rewarded, if not we are gone because we will not bankrupt us of a, over this. This is the message we here, my guess is it is different on the ground as time wears on.

A basic military tenet is if you don't move, you lose, ie, you become sitting ducks. That is one of the basic problems of the last 50 years in wars, no where to go, no big win to put everything behind it, and the spoils are not much, thus, the thinking has been new weapons will triumph and it will be different this time. One of the reasons for the Vietnam war was the belief that the newly built Air Cavalry, ie, helicopters would make us superior in war, which they did, yet, we know the outcome of that one.

Anyways, right now it's drones drones drones, imho, gates and mackaskill believe that if the energy and effort are put into afghan like iraq, there is a CHANCE.......

The prompter, oh wow, so he had one, i watched it and it was a simple, clear, speech of only about 20 minutes, anyone who gives speeches regularly and cares about it will memorize it because it is several times more effective if you look at people versus a prompter, i watched his face and eyes, and IMHO, it may have been there for security reason yet my opinion is if he looked at it 10% of time I'd be surprised.

Fuzo,

Here's another one for you, blowjame, lol, saysa I listen too all ideas and will adopt the good ones, well, cross border insurance is allowable, any insurance company can operate in any state they want to, the problem is each state has it's own insurance board and different requirements, so in a way it is allowed now, yet, insurance companies of which there were several hundred 25 years ago are now down too a hundred or so, so everyone just protects a terroitory, the republicans are correct we should have cross border, but to be effective and cost effective, there should be a few natnional plans, rules, so all stuff is the same, now this sticks the nose in states rights, yet, imho, it's a no brainer.

One more time, HATE MOTIVATES

this was my plan, strategy on the presidential election

Nixon disgusts people, a crook, populace votes in Carter, honest and religious.

During Carters watch the CIA f'nkg around in iran for 20 years finally pisses the folks off and they grab 500 american hostages. Carter sends in a rescue mission and the Helicopters fail because they are not geared for the physical conditions of sand, six soldiers die, Carter is branded incompetent.

Carter seen as incompetent, Regan get's in.

Regan does good, Bush comes in, no hate here folks, move along.

Bush, READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES, so he raises taxes and did not finish the war in Iraq, folks fear another Nixon, bush had oil background, so there's alot of BS going on with all of this, he also get's papered with having been CIA head, and all the crap came out of contra hearings. People fear enough, slight border on hate, not enough though.

1988 was the first real big push of shipping our jobs overseas, Ross Perot runs a campaign based on, THAT'S STUPID. Bubba jumps in the race. 43-38-23, he squeks it out. If perot hadn't run, Bush would have won.

So, Bush disgraces the white house, people are incensed, the mannequin Gore doesn't say jack shyte about the whole fiasco. Bush II jumps in, well maybe bushes weren't that bad after all. Major Hate, dems will not be rewarded for disgracing the white house.

Bush, f'cks it all up, everyone hates him. Now who will win?????

It was an easy call, so it was an interesting race because people wanted to be on one side, the timing was right, could they do it. they did it.

I watch, I observe, I try and figure out a theme of why, and what is underlying things, pushing it forward that we do not see.

As I stated my present gut warning is saying our financial position is much more precarious then folks want to let on, because if you knew all the shyte, folks would shyte there pants. Thus, these guys have been dealt a really bad hand, and there believe is "time will heal all wounds"......................obviusly I do not believe that is the correct strategy............now, I could be wrong.........WE HAVE WAY TOO MUCH DEBT AND NOT ENOUGH PROFITS TO SERVICE THE DEBT, AND WE ARE AN ECONOMY BUILT OVER 100 YEARS ON CHEAP ENERGY

hate motivates, and if change is needed and people don't change, change will be forced upon you

and away we go

[FUZO]

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You keep saying hate motivates I hate this man because of his policies and lies.liberals are so friggin wrong on this issue and there going to lose big time in the 2010 election. Also liberals always have to bring up bush you liberals and this bush thing is disgusting. And carter was a ***** like blojama this moron lets our americans stay hostage for how long.

So, Bush disgraces the white house

again more liberal spew bush kept us safe and why is it trip that you and your liberla screw ups dont want to admit that it was the democratic controled congress that passed bush's stuff,congress not bush but the liberal democratic congress but yet you friggin liberals want to bame bush.Take head out of ass to see the day lite please

[JsJs24]

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js,

thanks for your service, i can't imagine the stress and strain you guys have been under

I happen to agree with you on the one point, we should have carpet bombed and carpet bombed and carpet bombed from day one.

I disagree on time issue thing, yes it is not normal to give out strategy, yet, in this instance everyone knows exactly what everyone is doing. The time line is because it puts pressure on Karside and Pakistan and others, to get in line, if you do you are rewarded, if not we are gone because we will not bankrupt us of a, over this. This is the message we here, my guess is it is different on the ground as time wears on.

A basic military tenet is if you don't move, you lose, ie, you become sitting ducks. That is one of the basic problems of the last 50 years in wars, no where to go, no big win to put everything behind it, and the spoils are not much, thus, the thinking has been new weapons will triumph and it will be different this time. One of the reasons for the Vietnam war was the belief that the newly built Air Cavalry, ie, helicopters would make us superior in war, which they did, yet, we know the outcome of that one.

Trip, I respect your opinion and perception of how war is fought. However, you have a grave misunderstanding. I assure you the Taliban and Al Qaeda pray on learning our objectives. I was in Afghanistan in 2005 when the Taliban attacks on us surged. Rockets, mortars, and small arms fire started out of nowhere. One of our officers in charge said intel believed it was from moving most of the troops to Iraq and in the mean time the Taliban regrouped, recruited, and trained. Then, they hit us hardcore. This summer I was in Iraq and they pulled all of our troops back in from the cities to the bases and guess what started to happen? They attacked us because they knew that we were not allowed to go off base and fight back except under approval of Iraqi Commanders, which is BS.

My point is that you don't ever tell your enemy what you are going to do. I wouldn't even tell them how many troops we are sending. You surprise the heck out of them and hit them hard. If you think Obama has a clue about how to fight a war then you are sadly mistaken. And by the way, I work with 4 different infantry divisions and if you mention Obama's name the overwhelming response is negative. I don't know of any guys in my units that like the new president except for a few obvious exceptions. This doesn't mean they don't respect the office and follow orders, but no democrat President is liked by the troops for the most part, of course there are a few who vote dem. The morale goes down even lower, and the money we get is decreased significantly. I remember a retired E-9 I worked with a few years ago telling me that the worst 8 years of his career were the ones with Clinton as President because they had no money to buy and equipment or tools to fix equipment. Interestingly, my unit is already in that position....they are broke! And we are an intel surveilance unit. Anyway, it is not worth arguing over any longer. I have my opinion and you have yours. But I have lived and breathed the military for the last 10 years.

[Cytec]

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First, thank you for your service. As to the rest, you would think this would be common sense, especially from the president. But alas it is not!

Trip, I respect your opinion and perception of how war is fought. However, you have a grave misunderstanding. I assure you the Taliban and Al Qaeda pray on learning our objectives. I was in Afghanistan in 2005 when the Taliban attacks on us surged. Rockets, mortars, and small arms fire started out of nowhere. One of our officers in charge said intel believed it was from moving most of the troops to Iraq and in the mean time the Taliban regrouped, recruited, and trained. Then, they hit us hardcore. This summer I was in Iraq and they pulled all of our troops back in from the cities to the bases and guess what started to happen? They attacked us because they knew that we were not allowed to go off base and fight back except under approval of Iraqi Commanders, which is BS.

My point is that you don't ever tell your enemy what you are going to do. I wouldn't even tell them how many troops we are sending. You surprise the heck out of them and hit them hard. If you think Obama has a clue about how to fight a war then you are sadly mistaken. And by the way, I work with 4 different infantry divisions and if you mention Obama's name the overwhelming response is negative. I don't know of any guys in my units that like the new president except for a few obvious exceptions. This doesn't mean they don't respect the office and follow orders, but no democrat President is liked by the troops for the most part, of course there are a few who vote dem. The morale goes down even lower, and the money we get is decreased significantly. I remember a retired E-9 I worked with a few years ago telling me that the worst 8 years of his career were the ones with Clinton as President because they had no money to buy and equipment or tools to fix equipment. Interestingly, my unit is already in that position....they are broke! And we are an intel surveilance unit. Anyway, it is not worth arguing over any longer. I have my opinion and you have yours. But I have lived and breathed the military for the last 10 years.

[JsJs24]

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First, thank you for your service. As to the rest, you would think this would be common sense, especially from the president. But alas it is not!

Thank you for that Cytec and Trip. I'm sure there are a lot of others on this board who serve or have served too and my thanks goes out to them as well.