Legal Marijuana

[daved150]

Re: Legal Marijuana

Now mind you, I am not against marijuana at all!! I believe we have our own minds to make our own choices in life and we are the ones that have to live with those choices. My point is, that I don't believe by any means the government needs to get there hands on taxing this!! I can't even imagine this!! Yes it would bring in revenue, but do we want them dictating how much, where, when or how you use this?!! Heck it will be just like the supplements they end up taking away from us, that actually work!!


Stay Strong~~!!!
IPL

they dont now? i believe they dictate how (you cant), when (never), and how much (none), you get to use now. i cant stand the smell of pot. i've hated that shyt since i was 15!!! i wouldnt smoke a joint if they legalized it and made beer illegal!!! but...i'm all for legalizing it if they can control it like alchohol. it was stupidity and greed that made it illegal to begin with. legalize it and tax it and regulate it like alchohol.

[IronpumpedLady]

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they dont now? i believe they dictate how (you cant), when (never), and how much (none), you get to use now. i cant stand the smell of pot. i've hated that shyt since i was 15!!! i wouldnt smoke a joint if they legalized it and made beer illegal!!! but...i'm all for legalizing it if they can control it like alchohol. it was stupidity and greed that made it illegal to begin with. legalize it and tax it and regulate it like alchohol.

I realize your saying you don't like it, but can you honestly compare its effects to that of alcohol? I'm sorry but I just don't think they are in the same ball park at all.

You can have a few drinks and not be intoxicated, but can you take a few hits and not be wasted?

Again, I'm NOT discriminating against its use, condoling those who choose to use it, NOT by any means.
I just honestly don't think the way it effects you and the way alcohol does are anywhere near the same.


But anytime the government gets there hands into something or starts to regulate it, its never the same and always becomes a mess. You start handing power out like that and it always gets abused!!!




Stay Strong~~!!!
IPL

[IronpumpedLady]

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okay, I just used these last two paragraphs to make a point on how people with an agenda attemp to manipulate the reader.
Clearly this guy is against marijuana by the points he has chosen to throw at the reader, such as stating that most doctors "aren't thrilled with the idea of medical marijuana", since only 36% take the stance for it. "only 36%"!!! That's a huge percentage even though it's less than half, at a glance...that's massive when you take all the drug companies and what they do for the medical industry, doctors, handouts, closed door bonuses. It's the same reason doctors push certain brand drugs for each ailment to all their patients. The slight negative sides of marijuana don't compare to the sides of prescription pills. Marijuana hasn't proven deadly in any way. Most every drug otc and prescription have terrible physical sides.
What totally discredits a source is the big, bold faced, out-right lie. In this article, the big lie that throws all other information given by this guy out the window is the statement that "marijuana users become addicted and suffer from classic withdrawal symptoms upon abstinence." absolutely false
This guy mentions long term use developes a slowed response. uhhh, that happens as people age naturally.
I think I saw something about THC being the cause of traffic fatalities, or car crashes?..How did they come to this conclusion? The article states that THC was found in the driver's blood. Well, traces of THC can be found up to 8 wks after last used. so just because it's in the driver's blood, doesn't mean that he/she just got finished hitting a bong, or that they're anywhere near high.

The reason you have people like this guy writing negative articles on the clinical/medical use, recreational use, & legalization is because of how bad it would upset the drug companies. Federal legalization would offset OTC drugs as well as a large portion of prescrition meds. Drug companies don't want that, so they'll put out bullshyt "study" after "study" pointing out what they want the reader's attention focused on. You'll really have to search the world for independant studies because these guys aren't playing anymore. Marijuana is out of the bag...pardon the pun...and the drug corps can't, and won't, stand for it. They're not going belly-up over a natural, harmless weed.

You can disguise and manipulate facts and/or results from studies to direct readers to come to a conclusion based on the agenda. Hell, you can manipulate studies to acheive predetermined conclusions, to keep the general public on one side or the other of a very hard debated topic such as legal marijuana.
This same guy,that wrote that article, could write an article that directs the reader to really consider how beneficial marijuana is while seeming to be nuetral, as he tried to do in this one.

Oh your right about them manipulating an article and really putting words into your mouth that you really don't think. I just did a simple fast internet search and those were the top articles that stated some of its uses, benefits, and the proven sides.
Its a very debatable subject, just like AAS. We could sit for days and do the same with it. Its really not that different in a sense.



Stay Strong~~!!!
IPL

[Klash]

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Now mind you, I am not against marijuana at all!! I believe we have our own minds to make our own choices in life and we are the ones that have to live with those choices. My point is, that I don't believe by any means the government needs to get there hands on taxing this!! I can't even imagine this!! Yes it would bring in revenue, but do we want them dictating how much, where, when or how you use this?!! Heck it will be just like the supplements they end up taking away from us, that actually work!!

This is a very contradicting paragraph. You state using it where, when and how as being "dictated" and then go on to compare it with supplements that have been banned but marijuana is already banned. If the federal government "dictated" where, when and how we could use it - it would still be increasing our freedoms and loosening the laws that do dictate that no one can use it. So "dictating" isn't a very precise word here. They would be relaxing laws that "allowed" citizens to use as compared to not being able to use at all.

You put forth a lot of great information but to me it all comes down to one question - are we owned by the state? and if not, why do they dictate what we can and cannot put in our bodies, including marijuana, aas, cocain, etc. It's our lives we should be able to build them up and tare them down freely; each individual is responsible for their own life.

[Klash]

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I don't have a problem with the legalization of it, but I think its sad that the only reason they will consider it now is because they need the money. If its something you want- they don't give a crap, but when it something they want- well thats something different all together

Good point, bro!

[IronpumpedLady]

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This is a very contradicting paragraph. You state using it where, when and how as being "dictated" and then go on to compare it with supplements that have been banned but marijuana is already banned. If the federal government "dictated" where, when and how we could use it - it would still be increasing our freedoms and loosening the laws that do dictate that no one can use it. So "dictating" isn't a very precise word here. They would be relaxing laws that "allowed" citizens to use as compared to not being able to use at all.

You put forth a lot of great information but to me it all comes down to one question - are we owned by the state? and if not, why do they dictate what we can and cannot put in our bodies, including marijuana, aas, cocain, etc. It's our lives we should be able to build them up and tare them down freely; each individual is responsible for their own life.

Maybe I used a bad comparison to try to make a point, sorry I didn't come across clearly.
I'm simply saying that I don't want to see the government have anything to with it what so ever. They just want to use it for money making purposes. If thats the case it should have never been illegal. I think anyway.

This is a touchy subject, many people feel very strongly about, and other are like oh well whats the big deal.




Stay Strong~~!!!
IPL

[horsepwr]

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Maybe I used a bad comparison to try to make a point, sorry I didn't come across clearly.
I'm simply saying that I don't want to see the government have anything to with it what so ever. They just want to use it for money making purposes. If thats the case it should have never been illegal. I think anyway.

This is a touchy subject, many people feel very strongly about, and other are like oh well whats the big deal.




Stay Strong~~!!!
IPL

very true. Being that alcohol, a substance that literally eats up and kills cells, organisms, and organs, is stocked on the shelves of every corner store.
And talk about brain damage... Alcohol, on a regular basis, pits the brain the exact same as someone that eats ecstacy several times a week.
They still can't prove that marijuana is physically harmful. Nobody has yet to be on their death-bed from useing pot on a daily basis. And there have been millions of case studies throughout time.
I wrote a report on marijuana for Biology class in high-school, so of course, I researched my ass off. If I remember correctly, the only 2 proven side effects were short term memory loss, and it numbs brain cells. Marijuana does not kill one brain cell. It numbs them. And after abstinence, the effected brian cells become active again.
Now, as I said, I don't care for pot at all. Not really into the stoner thing. But to hear marijuana even compared with alcohol is absolutely ludicrous. I would put a million dollars, if I had it, on the fact that alcohol is by far the worst substance of all. It's the hardest on the human body. And I'm including everything you can think of. pot, cocaine, heroin, whatever...alcohol is hard on the body and mind. I used to witness, almost everyday, the effects of alcohol used heavily on a daily basis for 30yrs. Actually, closer to about 25yrs. It was bad. It had eaten a man up. Took a man, 6'4"/230lbs at his prime to a withered up 145lbs, and almost killed him at only 43yrs old. When people learn his age, it always blows their mind because he looks 20yrs older.
Now, he smoked pot too all those yrs. Still does, but the pot doesn't harm him in any way. The marijuana doesn't put him back in ICU. He lives healthy with his weed. He's 49 now. He has been back in ICU three times since he almost died at 43. Each time was from popping the top on the bottle again. And everytime, the doc says, "one drink is all it'll take"...
With that novel I just wrote, I'll add that I also understand that drinking on a responsible level usually isn't harmful. In fact, a couple drinks a day is actually good for you, or something like that...but, marijuana has never put anyone in the hospital. Very educated doctors are prescribing it to be used on a daily basis. The medical field has come a long way too. That's one area that hasn't went backwards.

Now one thing that really gets me about that crazy article. They talk about withdrawals from pot. no such thing. But opiates are prescribed across the world to be taken for chronic pain! opiates!..lortabs/norcos/vicodin/oxycontin, etc, etc...and they mention withdrawals with marijuana!!! sheeiiit...put someone on a daily painkiller regimen, and then end it. Talk about withdrawals! oowee...

[daved150]

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I realize your saying you don't like it, but can you honestly compare its effects to that of alcohol? I'm sorry but I just don't think they are in the same ball park at all.

You can have a few drinks and not be intoxicated, but can you take a few hits and not be wasted?

Again, I'm NOT discriminating against its use, condoling those who choose to use it, NOT by any means.
I just honestly don't think the way it effects you and the way alcohol does are anywhere near the same.


But anytime the government gets there hands into something or starts to regulate it, its never the same and always becomes a mess. You start handing power out like that and it always gets abused!!!




Stay Strong~~!!!
IPL

well, actualy i can say that. tolerance to alcohol is built up. at one time i could drink a 12pack and you wouldnt even know i have a buzz...now, after 3beers i'm tanked. i have 3-4 really close friends in florida that absolutlely do not drink. they smoke pot. and yes, i've seen them smoke a half a joint and act about the same way as i did after 2-3 beers....tolerance is built by users. in some cases, i can promices you, it affects you LESS than alcohol...i've seen people almost kill themselves at michigan state party's drinking butterscotch or peach shnops. (i'm sure you've heard about kids dying from drinking in colleage)..aitn nothing to put a 5th of that away in minutes....but i never hear of college kids smoking themselves to death.
i agree the government would "regulate" it...but they "regulate" it now!!!

[Doink the clown]

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...................Buncha dopeheads!!! he heee, Mide as well make money off of it,you obviously can't stop it.

[deepsouth]

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Well all the voilence should fall off if they legalize it- you ever known a bunch a stoned peeps to want to fight???

[horsepwr]

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Well all the voilence should fall off if they legalize it- you ever known a bunch a stoned peeps to want to fight???

Now that's a very good point! Seriously! You legalize the drug, then violence involving that drug will be elminated because it can then be reported. Deals gone bad will be cut down drastically.
That's not the only benefit of legalization of the drug. We no longer have prison crouding problems because no more people locked up for responsibly useing, and dealing with, that drug. Only the violent and fraudulant shyt heads would be locked up where they belong.

Now, I doubt just legalization of pot would solve the prison crouding issue, but that problem should very well be easily solved by allowing people to decide for themselves what they want to do with their bodies.

[PL456]

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by allowing people to decide for themselves what they want to do with their bodies.

Horse,
you let the feds pass healthcare and you no longer decide what to do with your body, obama does.

[Klash]

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Horse,
you let the feds pass healthcare and you no longer decide what to do with your body, obama does.

So just because horse supports the legalization of marijuana that automatically means he also supports Obama's healthcare proposal?

[FUZO]

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It wont ever be legalized in america.

[Klash]

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^Ever is a long time; especially when you have republicans that understand a federal ban is unconstitutional and it should be left up to the states and liberals that think it should be a social freedom, even though they don't really care about the size of the federal government.