ACORN was Co-founded by William Ayres???

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Oct. 18, 2008): ACORN was Co-founded by William Ayres??? (


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This is a lengthy (10 mins), but very important video. Please watch it to the end and share it.

One item that is revealed is that ACORN was FOUNDED by WILLIAM AYERS with a fellow SDS alum and Communist Party leader, Michael Klonsky.

Let me repeat, ACORN WAS CO-FOUNDED BY WILLIAM AYRES




Bullet points that I gathered from the YouTube clip for further investigation:

* The Chicago Annenberg Challenge project - BO/Ayers repeatly crossed paths (according to CNN review)
* William Ayers repeatedly fought for the Annenberg Challege grant to Chicago.
* BO was recuited as the Chicago Annenberg Challenge chair.
* BO, with no prior executive experience, was recruited to be Chairman and President of a 50 million dollar left-wing public education project.
* SDS is the abbreviation for Students for a Democratic Society.
* The Small Schools Project was created by Ayers, with fellow SDS alum and former Communist Party leader Michael Klonsky.
* Stanley Kurtz: "Instead of giving money directly to schools, they often gave money to external partners, and these external external were often left-wing radical community organizer groups. (Minute 3:40)
* Stanley Kurtz: On his foundation service, with Ayers, were sending money over to ACORN.
* ACORN was founded in 1970, by another Ayers SDS comrade, Wade Rathke

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Oct. 18, 2008): ACORN was Co-founded by William Ayres??? (


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This is a lengthy (10 mins), but very important video. Please watch it to the end and share it.

One item that is revealed is that ACORN was FOUNDED by WILLIAM AYERS with a fellow SDS alum and Communist Party leader, Michael Klonsky.

Let me repeat, ACORN WAS CO-FOUNDED BY WILLIAM AYRES




Bullet points that I gathered from the YouTube clip for further investigation:

* The Chicago Annenberg Challenge project - BO/Ayers repeatly crossed paths (according to CNN review)
* William Ayers repeatedly fought for the Annenberg Challege grant to Chicago.
* BO was recuited as the Chicago Annenberg Challenge chair.
* BO, with no prior executive experience, was recruited to be Chairman and President of a 50 million dollar left-wing public education project.
* SDS is the abbreviation for Students for a Democratic Society.
* The Small Schools Project was created by Ayers, with fellow SDS alum and former Communist Party leader Michael Klonsky.
* Stanley Kurtz: "Instead of giving money directly to schools, they often gave money to external partners, and these external external were often left-wing radical community organizer groups. (Minute 3:40)
* Stanley Kurtz: On his foundation service, with Ayers, were sending money over to ACORN.
* ACORN was founded in 1970, by another Ayers SDS comrade, Wade Rathke

nope it was not "co founded" by Aryes.

some info on Rathke thou
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Rathke began his career as an organizer for the National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO) in Springfield, Massachusetts. After working with the NWRO, he left for Little Rock, Arkansas, to found a new organization designed to unite poor and working class families around a common agenda.

This community organizing initiative in Arkansas eventually grew into the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the largest organization of lower income and working families in the United States, with 175,000 dues-paying families spread across about eighty-two staffed offices in American cities. The ACORN family of organizations includes radio stations (KNON and KABF), publications, housing development and ownership (ACORN Housing), and a variety of other supports for direct organizing and issue campaigns, such as Project Vote and the Living Wage Resource Center. ACORN International has recently opened staffed offices in Lima, Peru, and Toronto and Vancouver, Canada. Several Mexico offices are slated to open in 2005.


Rathke is also founder and Chief Organizer of Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Local 100, which is headquartered in New Orleans with operations in Arkansas, Texas, and Louisiana. Founded in 1980 in New Orleans as an independent union of Hyatt employees, the union became part of SEIU in 1984. SEIU Local 100 organizes public sector public workers, including school employees, Head Start, and health care workers, as well as lower wage private sector workers in the hospitality, janitorial, and other service industries.

His work in the labor movement includes three terms as Secretary-Treasurer of the Greater New Orleans AFL-CIO. Rathke is the president and co-founder of the SEIU Southern Conference; a member of the International Executive Board of SEIU; and Chief Organizer of the Hotel and Restaurant Organizing Committee (HOTROC) a multi-union organizing project for hospitality workers in New Orleans sponsored by the AFL-CIO and its president, John Sweeney.

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nope it was not "co founded" by Aryes.

some info on Rathke thou
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Rathke began his career as an organizer for the National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO) in Springfield, Massachusetts. After working with the NWRO, he left for Little Rock, Arkansas, to found a new organization designed to unite poor and working class families around a common agenda.

This community organizing initiative in Arkansas eventually grew into the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the largest organization of lower income and working families in the United States, with 175,000 dues-paying families spread across about eighty-two staffed offices in American cities. The ACORN family of organizations includes radio stations (KNON and KABF), publications, housing development and ownership (ACORN Housing), and a variety of other supports for direct organizing and issue campaigns, such as Project Vote and the Living Wage Resource Center. ACORN International has recently opened staffed offices in Lima, Peru, and Toronto and Vancouver, Canada. Several Mexico offices are slated to open in 2005.


Rathke is also founder and Chief Organizer of Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Local 100, which is headquartered in New Orleans with operations in Arkansas, Texas, and Louisiana. Founded in 1980 in New Orleans as an independent union of Hyatt employees, the union became part of SEIU in 1984. SEIU Local 100 organizes public sector public workers, including school employees, Head Start, and health care workers, as well as lower wage private sector workers in the hospitality, janitorial, and other service industries.

His work in the labor movement includes three terms as Secretary-Treasurer of the Greater New Orleans AFL-CIO. Rathke is the president and co-founder of the SEIU Southern Conference; a member of the International Executive Board of SEIU; and Chief Organizer of the Hotel and Restaurant Organizing Committee (HOTROC) a multi-union organizing project for hospitality workers in New Orleans sponsored by the AFL-CIO and its president, John Sweeney.

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Abolish the ROTC" was a Weather Underground movement.

Columbia College has abolished ROTC. Which year? Who was involved?

This topic of ROTC returning to campus came up during a press interview of students immediately after the Columbia College Presidential debate event.

(Sept 15, 2008) "Obama flip-flops on ROTC" (Columbia Spectator)

http://www.columbiaspectator.com/node/55592

Often the distancing of ROTC is liked with the "Dont-Ask-Dont-Tell" (DADT) policy. But the facts show the following:

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* Reserve Officers' Training Corps (ROTC) was banned from the University in 1969.
* The Dont-Ask Dont-Tell Policy did not exist until 1993.

The article indicates potential linkage with the 1968 anti-war riots and ban of ROTC.


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You might want to look at the 1968 anti-war riots and the ban of ROTC a year later. It was not because of sexual orientation discrimination.

This is confirmed in the following article:
(Sept 15, 2008) "Columbia Students May Vote on ROTC" (The NY Sun)

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/columb...on-rotc/85820/

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ROTC began in 1916 at Columbia and was responsible for training about 100,000 American servicemen to fight in World War II. In the wake of the Vietnam War and sometimes violent antiwar student protests, in 1969 university trustees voted to kick ROTC off campus.

Those in favor of the ban today argue that the military's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy toward gays violates the university's antidiscrimination policy.

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After the second Presidential Debate (Topic: National Service), Obama did not take any questions at Columbia College even though it was the college to which he went for his bachelors degree. He was not exactly consistent in his answers on enforcing a statute which says colleges must allow military recruits on campus and provide ROTC programs. (Russert interview 1/1/08 and Columbia College National Service Forum). McCain has consistently held that ROTC should be allowed on campus and has encouraged ROTC as an avenue, especially as officers.

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Social Activism - The Pacifica Radio/UC Berkely

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/pacificaviet.html

1968 - http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/pacificaviet.html#1968

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April 4, 1968: Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., is assassinated in Memphis, Tennessee. Riots break out in more than a hundred cities. On the west side of Chicago, nine African Americans are killed and twenty blocks are burned. Riots erupt in Washington D.C., Boston, and other cities [NYT, 4/6/68]

April 23, 1968: Students takeover the administration buildings of Columbia University in response to a number of grievances, including the University's plans to build a gym in the adjoining African American community, and the University's continuing ties to the Institute for Defense Analysis. The takeover is spearheaded by the Columbia chapter of SDS, headed by Mark Rudd. Five buildings are occupied by 1,000 students, African American students holding one building, white students in the others. After eight days the administration calls in the police and there are mass arrests and police beatings of protesters. A month-long student strike follows. [NYT, 4/24/68; da Cruz, 2004]

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January 5, 1968: A grand jury indicts Dr. Benjamin Spock, 64; the Rev. William Sloane Coffin Jr., 43, Yale chaplain; Michael Ferber, Harvard graduate student; Mitchell Goodman, a writer; and Marcus Raskin, co-director of the Institute for Policy Studies, on charges of encouraging draft evasion. On June 22 Raskin is acquitted and the other four are convicted; their convictions are overturned on appeal in July 1969. In reaction to the announcement of his indictment, Spock public ally announced that he hoped "that 100,000, 200,000 or even 500,000 young Americans either refuse to be drafted or to obey orders if in military service." [See also February 4, 1968][NYT, 1/6/68 ]

1969 - http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/pacificaviet.html#1969

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Anti-War and Other Political Activism

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April 10, 1969: Harvard University 300 to 400 students clash with over 400 policemen who have been called in by the University President to quell a 17-hour takeover of the campus administration building. As students flee across the Harvard Quad, they are kicked and beaten by police, many of whom have removed their badges. 197 people (including reporters from several national newspapers and magazines) are arrested. [NYT 4/7/69]

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November 15, 1969: More than 250,000 protesters gather in Washington, D.C., in the largest anti-war demonstration to occur during the Vietnam war. [LAT, 11/15/69; LAT, 11/16/69]
Photo of 11/15/69 Washington march.

"The organizers of this demonstration had received praise from Pham Van Dong, Prime Minister of North Vietnam. In a letter to the organizers, Dong said '... may your fall offensive succeed splendidly'. This was the first time that the government of North Vietnam publicly acknowledged the American anti-war movement. Dong's comments enraged American conservatives, including Vice President Spiro Agnew." (who would characterize the anti-war movement and its supporters as an "effete core of impudent snobs" (see May 22, 1970) [from War and Protest - the US in Vietnam (1969 - 1970)]

1970 - http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/pacificaviet.html#1970

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March 10, 1970: Weather Underground members Diana Oughton, Theodore Gold, and Terry Robbins are killed in the basement of a Greenwich Village townhouse when a nail-studded bomb, which they intended to plant at a dance at the Fort Dix (New Jersey) army base, accidentally explodes. Kathy Wilkerson and Kathy Boudin escape the blast. [NYT, 3/11/70; UPI, 1970]

After the incident, Wilkerson, Boudin, Bernadine Dohrn, Bill Ayers, and other members go underground, where they and others co-write and publish the book Prairie Fire, participate in a clandestinely filmed documentary, and continue to direct bombings. In 1970 Bernadine Dohrn is put on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list.


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February - December, 1970:
The Weather Underground is either accused of or takes credit for a series of bombings across the country:
13 February 1970: two bombs explode in the parking lot of the Berkeley police stationhouse, inuring three officers, one seriously [NYT, 2/18/70];
17 February 1970: San Francisco police stationhouse is bombed, seriously injuring a police sargeant [NYT, 2/18/70];
9 June 1970: The New York City Police Headquarters is bombed in response to what the Weathermen call "police repression" [NYT, 6/10/70];
27 July 1970: The Presidio Army Base in San Francisco is bombed to mark the 11th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution. [NYT, 7/27/70];
8 October 1970: Bombing of Marin County Courthouse in retaliation for the killing of Jonathan Jackson, William Christmas, and James McClain. [NYT, 8/10/70]
On the same day a bomb blast damages an armory in Santa Barbara, California, and a bomb is discovered and disarmed on the Berkeley campus;
14 October 1970: The Harvard Center for International Affairs is bombed [NYT, 10/14/70]

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Newspaper Articles archive: http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/paci...t.html#nyt4769

Possibly related articles:


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"S.D.S. Leaders Oust Members Of Progressive Labor Faction; S.D.S. Leaders Oust Members Of Progressive Labor Faction." New York Times, Jun 22, 1969. p. 1 (2 pages)

SDS == is this the SDS started by Wade Rathke.


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"3 U.S. Servicemen Released by Hanoi; Hanoi Frees Three Prisoners For Return to U.S. by Pacifists."New York Times, Aug 5, 1969. p. 1 (2 pages)

Qn: Was John McCain one of them? No. This seems to be a prior set of 3. Names? Not known.

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McCain was released on March 14, 1973. http://www.wtop.com/?nid=213&sid=1476369 This article implies that 1973 was the first release, but apparently there were 3 US Servicemen released on Aug 5, 1969.

McCain plane shot down & imprisoned October 26, 1967 (age 31) --- Return: Arrived March 1973 (Clark AFB) [Source: Men's Magazine, October 2008. Pg.38,39,42.
April 1968 - McCain's cellmate Bud Day is moved to a different camp. (Pg.44)
July 4, 1968 - McCain's father's command is transferred from Europe to Pacific; he is now the chief to oversee the US Forces in the region. McCain's torture increases.

Sept 1969 - death of Ho Chi Minh -- "seemed to bode well for mst prisoners.." (Pg.144)

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"Evidence Mounts: Ayers Co-Wrote Obama's Dreams" (American Thinker)

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(October 17, 2008) "Evidence Mounts: Ayers Co-Wrote Obama's Dreams" (American Thinker)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...s_cowrote.html

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Evidence continues to mount that Barack Obama had substantial help from Bill Ayers in the creation of his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, a book that Time Magazine has called "the best-written memoir ever produced by an American politician." The evidence falls into five general categories, here summarized.

* The discovery of new matching nautical metaphors from both Ayers and Obama that almost assuredly came from the same source: Ayers, a former merchant seaman.

* The discovery of a Bill Ayers' essay on memoir writing, whose postmodern themes and phrases are echoed throughout Dreams.

* A newly discovered book chapter from 1990 that shows clearly and painfully the limits of Obama's prose style the year he received a contract to write Dreams.

* The revelation by radical Islamicist Rashid Khalidi that Ayers made his "dining room table" available for neighborhood writers who needed help.

* A refined timeline that shows Ayers had the means, the motive and the time to help Obama when he needed it most.

The timeline

A 1990 New York Times profile on Obama's election as the Harvard Law Review's first black president in 1990 caught the eye of agent Jane Dystel. She persuaded Poseidon, a small imprint of Simon & Schuster, to authorize a roughly $125,000 advance for Obama's proposed memoir.

Obama repaired to Chicago with advance in hand and dithered. At one point, in order to finish the book without interruption, he and wife Michelle decamped to Bali. Obama was supposed to have finished the book within a year. Bali or not, advance or no, he could not. Simon & Schuster canceled the contract. His agent hustled him a new, smaller contract.

Ayers published his book To Teach in 1993. Between 1993 and 1996, he had no other formal authorial assignment than to co-edit a collection of essays. This was an unusual hole in his very busy publishing career.

Obama's memoir was published in June 1995. Earlier that year, Ayers helped Obama, then a junior lawyer at a minor law firm, get appointed chairman of the multi-million dollar Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant. In the fall of that same year, 1995, Ayers and his wife, Weatherwoman Bernardine Dohrn, helped blaze Obama's path to political power with a fundraiser in their Chicago home.

In short, Ayers had the means, the motive, the time, the place and the literary ability to jumpstart Obama's career. And, as Ayers had to know, a lovely memoir under Obama's belt made for a much better resume than an unfulfilled contract over his head.

Neighborhood assistance

Allow me to reconstruct how Obama transformed himself into what the New York Times has called "that rare politician who can write . . . and write movingly and genuinely about himself." There is an element of speculation in this, but new evidence continues to narrow the gap between the speculative and the conclusive. One clue comes from an unexpected source, Rashid Khalidi, the radical Arab-American friend of Obama's and reputed ally of the PLO.

In the acknowledgment section of his 2004 book, Resurrecting Empire, Khalidi writes of Ayers, "Bill was particularly generous in letting me use his family's dining room table to do some writing for the project." Khalidi did not need the table. He had one of his own. He needed the help.

Khalidi had spent several years at Chicago University's Center for International Studies. At a 2003 farewell dinner on the occasion of his departure from Chicago, Obama toasted him, thanking him and his wife for the many dinners that they had shared as well as for his "consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases."

Chicago's Hyde Park was home to a tight, influential radical community at whose center were Ayers and Dohrn. In this world, the Ayers' terrorist rap sheet only heightened their reputation. Obama had to know. The couple had given up revolution in 1980 for the long slow march through the institutions. By 1994, if not earlier, Ayers saw a way to quicken that march.

I believe that after failing to finish his book on time, and after forfeiting his advance from Simon & Schuster, Obama brought a sprawling, messy, sophomoric manuscript to the famed dining room table of Bill Ayers and said, "Help."

Many excerpts and comparative examples of post-modernism in writing of Ayers and in "Dreams.."

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Why this matters

Obama's handlers have "constructed" his persona around his presumably superior intelligence. Bill Buckley's son Christopher, smitten by Obama's literary skills, is among those who have yielded to this imagery and joined the Obama crusade. Even if someone benign had ghostwritten the book it would present a problem for Obama.

The question is often asked why Obama associated with Ayers. The more appropriate question is why the powerful Ayers would associate with the then obscure Obama. Before Obama's ascendancy, it was Ayers who had the connections, the clout, and the street cred. Ayers could also write and write very well. By the mid-1990s he had had several of his books published. What Ayers could never do, however, was run for office on his own.

My suspicion is that Ayers saw the potential in Obama, and chose to mold it. The calculation in Dreams is palpable. Nothing about the book would deny a black Democrat the White House. If it were revealed that the ghostwriter is Ayers, it would suggest that Ayers has played a major role all along in the shaping of Barack Obama. It is unlikely that the McCain camp would have invested so much energy in establishing the Ayers-Obama link if they did not think this was the case.

At the end of the day, the observer is left with only two conclusions: either Barack Obama experienced a quantum surge in his writing skills almost overnight; or someone made a major contribution to the rewriting of his book.

The dispassionate observer has to choose the latter -- the former has no precedent. If he can endure the consequences, he concedes that that contributor had to be Bill Ayers.

Ayers' writings and approach is post-modernist. "Dreams.." is in post-modernist.

Obama's first book and second book styles do not match.

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Jack Cashill's first look at the authorship of "Dreams.."
(October 9, 2008) "Who Wrote Dreams From My Father?" (American Thinker)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...y_fathe_1.html

(October 10, 2008) "Who writes Obama's Books?" (Archinet.com)

http://www.archinect.com/forum/threa...81159_0_42_0_C

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1961 -------- Obama Jr. born. Stanley Ann Dunham is 18.
1962 -------- Obama Jr. was 1 year old when Obama Sr. left Hawaii and went to Harvard. [Time Magazine, Sept 1, 2008 - pg.47]
1962 -------- Obama Sr. was in Harvard from 1962 to WHEN ??? WHEN DID HE RETURN TO KENYA?
1964 -------- Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham "divorced" but remained in relatively good terms [Time Magazine, Sept 1, 2008, pg. 47]

1967 ------- S. Ann Dunham marries Lolo Soetoro
1967-1971 -- Obama Jr. in Jakarta, Indonesia (Wiki)-- Name: Barry Soetoro, Religion: Islam, father: Lolo Soetoro (Citizenship: Indonesia, by family/adoption) (School Record) [various published]

1971 -------- Obama Jr. back to Hawaii - living with maternal grandparents
1971 -------- Obama Jr. (age 10) saw his dad Obama Sr. again (San Francisco airport @ US Immigration arrival gate) [Time Magazine Sept 1, 2008, pg.1] -- ONLY visit [pg.47].
1971-1979 -- Obama Jr -- Punahou School, Hawaii from the fifth grade in 1971 until his graduation from high school in 1979 (Wikipedia)
1972 ------- S.Ann Dunham visits Hawaii; then back to Indonesia
xxxx --- He saw his father once again in his high-school days. (Date? Source?)
1979-1981 -- Occidental College, Los Angeles (Wikipedia) ("Oxy Remembers "Barry" Obama '83". Occidental College (2007-01-29). Retrieved on 2008-04-13.)
1981-1983 -- Columbia University (NYC; years 1 and 2)
1983-1984 -- Business International Corporation (NYC; year 3)
New York Public Interest Research Group (NYPIRG) (NYC; year 4)
1980 -------- S.Ann Dunham divorced from Lolo Soetoro
1982 -------- Obama Sr. died of car accident in 1982. [Time Magazine Sept 1, 2008, pg.47] (Wikipedia)
1984-1985 --- ??????
June 1985 ---- May 1988 director of Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side, and worked there for three years from June 1985 to May 1988. (Wikipedia)
June-Sept 1988 --????
Late 1988 ---- Harvard Law School
Mid 1988 ----- First trip to Europe (3 weeks);
---------------then for five weeks in Kenya (five weeks) -- met many Kenyan relatives for the first time.. [VERY NUANCED PHRASE]
I READ: NOT HIS FIRST TRIP.
Summer 1989 -- Summer associate at Sidley & Austin lawfirm.
Feb 1990 ------ Second year in Law school. Editor in Chief of Harvard Law Review.
Summer 1990 -- Hopkins & Sutter
1991 ---------- Graduates with JD from Harvard. "RETURNED TO" Chicago.
1995 ---------- Mom Stanley Ann Dunham died of cancer. (Obama is in Bali with Michelle, one of many trips to write his book)
xxxx ----------- Obama Jr. publishes "Dreams from My Father"
Not very much overlap [especially of mature age period for transmitting dreams from father].

Basic tenet in Post-modernistic writing: Reality is in the writer's mind (vs. Searle, where there is reality independent of perception). So, Obama or whoever wrote the first book could simply make it up. But there are many details. in the book that are very specific. So, the Cashill article (American Thinker) about writing style of "Dreams.." is quite germane.

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I have read many articles where Obama Sr. is written about as a serious Marxist. Question: Was he involved in the activities in Harvard?

Were the Dreams founded in Obama Sr. and were they founded in Harvard during these tumultuous times?

And finally, did Obama Sr. know Ayers? [And is that how Ayers had more information about him that he could co-author, if he did so. ]

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Many questions...

When exactly did Bernadine Dohrn leave Sidley & Austin ?
Did Ayers know Obama in NYC and did Ayers recommend Obama to Sidley & Austin through his wife?

Sidley & Austin was the lawfirm of Tom Ayers, Bill Ayers' father. See recent article in NYPost?

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and yet again off topic amazing...
what the heck does any of this stuff that about rotc and what ever you copied and pasted have to with who founded acorn?

the post Title was ACORN was Co-founded by William Ayres???

and clearly pointed out who founded it and it was not Aryes

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WHAT I posted has everything to do with aires and acorn and obama you cant see that ITS YOUR LIBERALISM KICKING IN YOU CANT PUT THOSE TOGETHER SNICKERS??. BLIND DUDE THIS IS WHY PEOPLE CANT TALK TO LIBERALS,DEMOCRATS YES LIBERALS NO

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WHAT I posted has everything to do with aires and acorn and obama you cant see that ITS YOUR LIBERALISM KICKING IN YOU CANT PUT THOSE TOGETHER SNICKERS. BLIND DUDE THIS IS WHY PEOPLEM CANT TALK TO LIBERALS,DEMOCRATS YES LIBERALS NO

No i just responded the fact on who founded ACORN. The fact and the truth is Ayres did not co-found it at all. Now all this other junk it just a whole other topic in itself.

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aires,acorn,obama all together but a liberal will never think it. hillary clinton did and bill clinton did just like both of them said obama played the race card and he did it to mccain. would you like me to get the clintons quotes for ya or wont you beleive that also

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aires,acorn,obama all together but a liberal will never think it. hillary clinton did and bill clinton did just like both of them said obama played the race card and he did it to mccain. would you like me to get the clintons quotes for ya or wont you beleive that also

No need, i just want to see the facts that say Ayres co-founded ACORN, but there is not truth or facts to back that up.

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AGAIN THE LIBERALISM THING WITH YOU .THERES PLENTY OF FACTS

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AGAIN THE LIBERALISM THING WITH YOU .

I know!!! isn't this cool