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A. destruction is so devastating they run out of things too destroy, both life and assets
B. when the money runs out
C. when it is finally an accepted fact by all that the intial premise for war was totally factually wrong
let's take war over the last 100 years
WWI- nut job germans thought they could take over the world, ummmm, NOT
WWII- another german nut job tries again, ummmmmmm, NOT
now that leads us to two wwars 50 years
now there is a HUGE FEAR of world wars, where is the greatest threat possibly to come from next, well, communism of course, thus 40-70's an irrational fear of another wwar
reaction, korean war, vietnma war, cuban BS
Vietnam the most well documented and known, was premised on a FEAR russia and china would communise more of asia
So, we go in there, first with light military in the early '60's after the french said sey le vie, this is a waiste land, yup, they'd puked up money and lives for twenty years and said bye bye
So, we go in, and we know we can do much better because we have a secret weapon never before had in war, HELICOPTERS, yup, an air cavalry, never used before in war was what we would win it with
Our other secret weapon was we had the best troops, majority of troops in the beginning of that war were veteran WWII vets, the best, so, we go too war
By 1967 we've essentially finally realized we had the best troops that were underequiped, yup, they burned through guns and money and ammo at 5 times the rate they thought they would, with not much success why would that be, how about war 101, u don't move u lose
u see all the new air cavalry while mobile had too have a home base, thus, the enemy knew where we were all the time
so from 67-71 we throw more guns money and troops at it
now, of course the other side, totally funded by russia and china and the HATE THAT MOTIVATES, ie, get outta my country, were willing to fight and die to the death for there country
and it finally ended
Now, we go over too Afgan, for the life of me, wrf the ruskies were thinking is still unsure, yet, hmmmmmmm, results were the same, we the good old usa shoveled guns and money to afgans and booyah ruskies go broke broke broke
Funny thing happened though, we thought it was just plain old war, where the muslims thought we were too late too the plate because of religion and outta that mass comes another nut job, bin-laden who believes all the muslim deaths could have been prevented by usa, so now this nut job has a grudge
WTF is a win, jeesh there is never wins in life there is only change, and constant change
The facts are all well out there if one cares too look, Georgie Boy has a seventy year plan, ummmmmm, it takes two generations to change societal belief systems, now here's a good question
How Many Bases are we allowed to create in george's alliance with iraq?
that answer screams out how long they plan is too be there
I just hate good old fox never talks about that, it's just too brutal for folks too consider
A. destruction is so devastating they run out of things too destroy, both life and assets
B. when the money runs out
C. when it is finally an accepted fact by all that the intial premise for war was totally factually wrong
let's take war over the last 100 years
WWI- nut job germans thought they could take over the world, ummmm, NOT
WWII- another german nut job tries again, ummmmmmm, NOT
now that leads us to two wwars 50 years
now there is a HUGE FEAR of world wars, where is the greatest threat possibly to come from next, well, communism of course, thus 40-70's an irrational fear of another wwar
reaction, korean war, vietnma war, cuban BS
Vietnam the most well documented and known, was premised on a FEAR russia and china would communise more of asia
So, we go in there, first with light military in the early '60's after the french said sey le vie, this is a waiste land, yup, they'd puked up money and lives for twenty years and said bye bye
So, we go in, and we know we can do much better because we have a secret weapon never before had in war, HELICOPTERS, yup, an air cavalry, never used before in war was what we would win it with
Our other secret weapon was we had the best troops, majority of troops in the beginning of that war were veteran WWII vets, the best, so, we go too war
By 1967 we've essentially finally realized we had the best troops that were underequiped, yup, they burned through guns and money and ammo at 5 times the rate they thought they would, with not much success why would that be, how about war 101, u don't move u lose
u see all the new air cavalry while mobile had too have a home base, thus, the enemy knew where we were all the time
so from 67-71 we throw more guns money and troops at it
now, of course the other side, totally funded by russia and china and the HATE THAT MOTIVATES, ie, get outta my country, were willing to fight and die to the death for there country
and it finally ended
Now, we go over too Afgan, for the life of me, wrf the ruskies were thinking is still unsure, yet, hmmmmmmm, results were the same, we the good old usa shoveled guns and money to afgans and booyah ruskies go broke broke broke
Funny thing happened though, we thought it was just plain old war, where the muslims thought we were too late too the plate because of religion and outta that mass comes another nut job, bin-laden who believes all the muslim deaths could have been prevented by usa, so now this nut job has a grudge
WTF is a win, jeesh there is never wins in life there is only change, and constant change
The facts are all well out there if one cares too look, Georgie Boy has a seventy year plan, ummmmmm, it takes two generations to change societal belief systems, now here's a good question
How Many Bases are we allowed to create in george's alliance with iraq?
that answer screams out how long they plan is too be there
I just hate good old fox never talks about that, it's just too brutal for folks too consider
The theme to the Twighlight Zone is coming to mind
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Thomas Jefferson
Obama ruin the country, yup, just like Thomas Payne.
fwiw, i personally can't predict the future, that's why i focus on now, and what's what
NO ONE TRIP CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE THAT INCLUDES THE PRESIDENT WHO ALSO FOCUSES ON "NOW " AND WHATS WHAT
EVERYONE BAD REPS BUSH HE DINT KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN TODAYS WORLD. HE HAD TO REACT AFTER 911 TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY AT THAT TIME
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every war, every ****ed one of them, need guns and money and people
he didn't know what would happen, every war is the same, the person who get's attacked, goes to there new enemies enemy for guns and money and fight to the death
we are americans becuase france gave us guns and money and attacked british navy
the statue of liberty was given to us by who, france
he did react, which is totally wrong for leadership
great leaders respond, they don't react
the war will cost 50 billion, we're creeping on up too a trillion
we were attacked by a man who wrote us a letter declaring war on us in 97, by a one in a billion shot 9-11 was successfull
now, u've seen the vicious video's a hundred times, a dozen guys in blakc climbing on monkey bars, that's the enemy, jezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, give me a break, they are a bunch of lucky angry two year old idiots
in summary u respond, u don't react
reaction is one bad decision, that always leads too two others
jezzzzzzzzzzzz, u don't invade iraq, cause u cannot shut off supply lines of guns and money unless you hold every border with an iron hand, ummmmmm, not done, not even tried
jezzzzzzzzzzzzz, patrius the genius, we will advance and then hold our positin, WTF, why would u have done anything else, anything else is criminal
no, they'd go out, blaze around, take control, and then leave, how insane is that
it's just a different point of view, i see total stupidity, idiocy in action, that is as bad and worse than the original destruction
where others see that an act of force is something good that makes them feel better, i'm not against force or action or war, just you pick your spots
one more time, the whole entire world was with us going into afgan, and with the entire world on our side, we had carte' blanche to destroy and hunt down every last one
when we went to iraq, the rest of the world said, ur nutz, good luck with that one
u lead with and by consensus, we had it, we threw it away, stupidity
The audacity of hope quote is great leadership in action.
He acknowledges the reality.
U just like the quote says, projects your own views.
Well, if you count deception as great leadership quality yeah, I guess it could be.
Let me put it more in context to what I mean.
The full quote: "I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views."
This quote (written in 2006 - well before his presidential campaign) mixed with the fact that he tried to maintain this completely blank screen by keeping his speeches extremely vague until after Super Tuesday. Now, he has changed tactics - he doesn't stay vague now he will tell one group of people one thing that contradicts something he will tell another group of people; he can get away with this because only political buffs keep up with shit enough to know - because your typical mainstream, liberal media doesn't make an issue of it.
I see, I hear, I feel.........what he is doing, and presently on the scorcard his grade A in leadership. I expect the trend to continue, and am watching for any changes that are contrary.
No, he has the appearance of "grade A" leadership because if any other politician was contradicting them self like he is, they would be made to look like a fool on the nightly news.
I'm confident, because I've wathced his consistency since the night i saw his speech at the 04 democratic convention. So, for four years he has been consistent in my eyes, versus most folks only knowing of him for a year or less.
O.k. so he is consistent when it comes to motivational speaker. He's not running for that position - it's a nice skill but he needs good policies.
Now, I do agree with u, cause I think this is where u are going, is that one day the folks will stop projecting on the screen and have too see him for what he is and acknowledge it.
So, the fear is what is really there.
I've just been saying, my best guess, is everyone will be happy with what they finally see, he will be revealed thru his actions over time, the decision that he makes, my bet is they will be great ones.
Time will tell
Your still projecting what you want to see. He has given us enough information to see what he truly is and a healthy, vibrant, growing economy is not his goal; his goal is wealth redistribution at the cost or sacrifice of what most of us want - a strong economy.
This election is not one to be gambling that Obama will turn out to have a rational mind despite what he has shown us.
If we maintain the course we have now, we've already won - we just got to give the Iraqi military time to develop. We've already won but it's not a football game we have to make sure the Iraqi's are equipped to maintain the win before we live.
Obama ruin the country, yup, just like Thomas Payne.
Bro, you must have been drunk writing this - comparing Thomas Paine to Obama. Thomas Paine was a hard core libertarian, i.e. rational; does Obama have any rational qualities to him but if your referring to how much of a change he will have on the country the comparison might be understated, just in the opposite direction.
fwiw, i personally can't predict the future, that's why i focus on now, and what's what
You don't have to be able to predict the future; you just have to listen to what Obama says he will do if he wins and he says he will ignore the health of the economy in favor of entitlement programs.
we were attacked by a man who wrote us a letter declaring war on us in 97, by a one in a billion shot 9-11 was successfull
now, u've seen the vicious video's a hundred times, a dozen guys in blakc climbing on monkey bars, that's the enemy, jezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, give me a break, they are a bunch of lucky angry two year old idiots
When does insignificant become significant? Where is the line drawn? When our allies are bombed? our destroyers? our em****ies? our am****adors? our soldiers? our own soil? with a nuclear weapon?
I think with most people the line was when our civilians were attacked on our own soil.
reaction is one bad decision, that always leads too two others
jezzzzzzzzzzzz, u don't invade iraq, cause u cannot shut off supply lines of guns and money unless you hold every border with an iron hand, ummmmmm, not done, not even tried
jezzzzzzzzzzzzz, patrius the genius, we will advance and then hold our positin, WTF, why would u have done anything else, anything else is criminal
no, they'd go out, blaze around, take control, and then leave, how insane is that
it's just a different point of view, i see total stupidity, idiocy in action, that is as bad and worse than the original destruction
where others see that an act of force is something good that makes them feel better, i'm not against force or action or war, just you pick your spots
one more time, the whole entire world was with us going into afgan, and with the entire world on our side, we had carte' blanche to destroy and hunt down every last one
when we went to iraq, the rest of the world said, ur nutz, good luck with that one
u lead with and by consensus, we had it, we threw it away, stupidity
...and if you saw the world as irrational, what then? Do you submit to conformity for the authority of their consensus.
Israel submits it's sovereignty to the pressure of the international community. No one understands the urgency of their situation but Israelis and ultimately they will defy the opinion of the international community for their own survival. The world is irrational where we give terror organizations a seat at the U.N.? We give them the assumption and authority to enter into treaties - phuck the world, their bleeding heart liberalism and their consensus.
you definition of win is better than what they say, which makes me concerned, yet, i'm in agrement with u on it
thomas paine, wrote gave speeches in pamphelt form, the effectiveness is based on "A Call To Arms" ie how much action is taken and how often, in simple terms one man rallied us during the dark times of the birth of a nation
for whatever reason u believe he is deceptive, i'm not seeing it, and i continue too looke, u gotta remember folks tell me all kinds of stuff all the time, and i've managed lot's of folks, deception is hard too hide if one looks, i will say often times it is igored when it is in plain sight, so the question to me am i ignoring something obvious too all, at this point i don't think so, i'm not avoiding or denying the subject, it's just presently i see a lakc of it, where others see it everywhere
irrational world, heck it's always irrational at the edges like people, you gotta put it in context, u know darn well i'm not a submit too conformity guy, not big on the lemming syndrome, and i always check if the lemmings are out before walking alongside a parade
i got no problem with israel doing what they want when they want, and u also know, my knowledge on israel is as vast as my knowledge on computers, thimble size
U do realize that Iran who's leaders are now 50 years of age, had the xpereince of the United Staes CIA trying to over throw there government, the iran hostage situation that last 500 or so days
so no matter what one says or does, a majority of Iran and especially it's leaders see's the US as terrorists, i'm just saying it works both ways
when u force ur value system on another it generally does not work well, when a value system is physically forced upon another u can bet it will not work, what u can never ever do is take away a man or womens freddom of thought, freedome of believes and freedom of what runs thru his blood and soul
people society's change when by there own admission, they acknowledge they must change or perish, and we know folks are stubborm at times, usually at the extremes of high high emostions, and the low low emotions
why i answered ur quote like i did, is cause obie cannot force how other people think see or feel, if they choose too project, not much can be done, projection is a part of change, the beginnings of seeing the possible
why i answered ur quote like i did, is cause obie cannot force how other people think see or feel, if they choose too project, not much can be done, projection is a part of change, the beginnings of seeing the possible
Once you take into consideration the fact that he knows he is a blank slate and the fact he has intentionally built his campaign around that notion - you don't see how that makes him deceptive. He is deceptive and he is using today's political climate to take advantage of people, who don't know what they want but they know they don't want Bush or anything that reminds them of him.
He stays vague intentionally so people will project what they want to see. He intentionally neglects to inform people of what he believes this says a lot about him and his supporters.
an example from a war of the past you mentioned trip: The ultimate state of victory is a continent...a whole world, for that matter, that speaks their own native languages instead of German which would have surely been forced upon them if not for a win.
i got no problem with israel doing what they want when they want, and u also know, my knowledge on israel is as vast as my knowledge on computers, thimble size
Im confused on where Israel came into this, did I miss something?
Once you take into consideration the fact that he knows he is a blank slate and the fact he has intentionally built his campaign around that notion - you don't see how that makes him deceptive. He is deceptive and he is using today's political climate to take advantage of people, who don't know what they want but they know they don't want Bush or anything that reminds them of him.
He stays vague intentionally so people will project what they want to see. He intentionally neglects to inform people of what he believes this says a lot about him and his supporters.
Your premise is that: He intentionally built a campaign based on the blank slate syndrome which he acknowledges.
Based upon the premise, you take a half a dozen negatives, and say that those are his intentions.
Overall though, it all adds uo to and underlying theme of he is a liar and a cheaat and he is manipulating people.
My tendency is too focus on what folks do right versus wrong, because by and large 95% of all folks make decsions, everyone of us included, no matter how nutso the decision at the time seems, takes actions based on what they believe the right thing is.
Here is my list of obie rights:
A. went to college and paid for it out of his own pocket
B. went to work to help folks for 3 years in chicogo
C. found out too lead u must understand and was encourgaed to join the churces that had hired him to help folks
D. joined a church stuck with it 15 years
E. decided early on, it is easier to change things from the top verusus the bottom, so he sacrificied short term goals for long term goals of helping others, with zero guarantee he would be successfull
F. won several political contests
G. married great women
H. has two wonderful children
I. pretty much scandal free, lol, with in context of a life, ie, he hasn't been caught doing illigeal things, screwwing other folks or friends
J. wrote two books, this is not an easy task, too put ones thoughts down on paper
K. acquired orator skills, thru, hard work
L. risk taker, the fact he chose to run against hilary at this time when everyone said no shows
M. Stood up against everyone and opposed the war, totally against his own political career, he did not have too do this, and pol's don't do anything that could harm them in the future, yet, he did he stood on principle
N. ran a brilliant campaign and won
O. continues to run a good general campaign
P. Strategies are specific actions that produce specific results, obviously he is a geat strategist, u don't win that campaign against hil girl without one
Q. he has showed good discipline
R. he is open too others idea's
S. he does not back down from his principles
T. he actually listens too folks, thinks before he speaks, and actually answers the qeustions versus lotsa gobbly good
U. he compliments and acknowledges the other side often, he often praises george bush on arican aides as a huge win, he did same for regans wins
V. Tapped into the youth, why and how was he able to do this, when it was never ever successful before, what did they see or know............turns out quite a bit others did not see
that's 21
Here's my negative list
A. At times he is impulsive and can't keep his mouth shut, in New Hampshire debate said, "Oh, hil girl, you're likeable enough", i about puked my guts out when i heard that, he might as well have walked up too her and twiested her stick, that was a very assualtive steet talk that women would hate, shows some lack of discipline for sure, if he believed it, which imho he does, he shoulda made a vow too himself never too say it
B. He sucked, was the worst at debates, total lack of strategy prep. FWIW, personally i coulda coached him and solved this in two days, it's easy, yet, fwiw, they never figured it out, this does bug, yet, it is what it is
C. He still is highly average at press conferences, 90% of the time highly average, 10% of time brilliant, if he does not get rid of highly average, again somehting easily solved, this will hurt him
D. He has a tendency to be nuanced, which is fine nothing wrong with it, yet, not realizing how other folks see that is a weakness, and when he is the nuanced nooze his tendency is to continue the nuance, making it worse, like funding issue, heck, he won the powerball lottery, just be honest and move on, no one not eve him, which he's admited, believed his campaign would catch on and grow like he did, my guess is they were running to win, hoping for it, yet, deep down inside thinking, this is an introduction a get too know him natioanlly so he could do more in senate with his name and in the future etc.
I could lay down a few more negatives, yet, they are nuanced, lol
as i've said, i'm watching with open eyes, and as unbiased one can be cause we all have biases, yet, in total, i'm digging him, and have confidence in his lack of stupidity and idiocy which is see so prevalent in natioanl politics and government
an example from a war of the past you mentioned trip: The ultimate state of victory is a continent...a whole world, for that matter, that speaks their own native languages instead of German which would have surely been forced upon them if not for a win.
I'm confused as to your meaning here, my guess is i agree with u, yet, unsure of the pont.
fwiw, here's no. 1 problem i deal with with folks, here is what they think
If I could get here, ( a victory or a win everything would be okay ).
What happens is when they get there, if u ever do, most don't or even come close, that win is satisfactory for one day, one month, one year, and if you don't change or move on or have a new goal or a real purpose, you're stuck.
thus, the win or victory syndrome, cause life constantly changes
FWIW, MickeyCain is the only one that has a rationale definition: Less Casualties...................on both sides
I really just wish they'd fess up and acknowledge, we screwed the pooche, to fix it will take ten years, he is our ten year plan, and at year 8 we will re-evaluate and re-position.
FWIW, imho, that is really the plan they are working, it's just no one wants too say it cept mccain, cause folks don't want to hear it cause it's too emotional
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