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pertaining to president...aka commander in chief? TO RUN THE MILITARY. That is his/her #1 job by far.
He has to do it every day. I dont think obama is a good choice to run our military...
It's one of those trick questions, in reality, leaders rarely lead.
The goal of a leader is too build a consensus, have followers. With no followers you aint a leader.
So, a leader spends majority of his time building a consensus. 80% why
Cause at times, 17% he needs too lead em somewhere, up or down, right or left, and if u have built a consensus, maintained that consensus, kept the trust, everyone will follow when it is time.
3% of the time major crisis occurs, if u do not have a consensus, and u have not proven your mettle during that 17% of the time, and have gained additional trust, this 3% of the time becomes a disaster, a major crisis for everyone, because no trust everyone is comprimised and it becomes a cluster fu...
So, he puts 80% of his time into consensus building in wait for that 3% which no one can predict when it will come.
pertaining to president...aka commander in chief? TO RUN THE MILITARY. That is his/her #1 job by far.
He has to do it every day. I dont think obama is a good choice to run our military...
well, hmmmmmmmm, is that true about the military, i ask cause i'm not sure, i know it is part of his responsibility
ah, obama not a good military man, that strength thing again, that makes sense, that's perfectly legitimate
i've read a few books on colin powell, vietnam, ww-ii, i will agree with you on this one, the military has been abused for decades
whoever decided we needed a peace dividend, in the history of the world, every ten years that has always been a major war like clockwork, to think it had changed in 1990 was absurdity
Without TRUST the best u can do is feel compromised.
Thus, I understand your replies.
Needless to say, imho, i got zero problems with him. I trust him because I teach this stuff, I know what he's doing and how he is doing it.
To Lead First You Must Understand
ya see, I understand
ya see Klash, u lead by intelligence, u use that intelligence to question, if you question and u get answers that make sense than u feel secure cause you've avoided a problem,
when u lead by intelligence, the desire is too avoid problems, yet every turn of the page has a challenge, thus it is questioned
I didn't put him on a mythlical whatever, I used an analogy to try and explain what he is factually doing and why.
Ya see, great leadership is so simple most mis-read the signs.
I understand you admire his leadership abilities but like I stated before there have been a$$holes throughout history with good leadership skills. If that is the only standard you use to grade someone on - then ****** was a good man and even more so because of the acts he inspired others to follow him on.
You say I lead on intelligence as if there is another option. Well, I suppose there are other options to take but they will only lead you to failure. And that is what worries me about these people supporting Obama. He props up a facade of empty promises but because he sounds so damn good doing it, this new generation of voters are eating it up like candy. From your perspective this is displaying his great leadership abilities; from my perspective it shows how increasingly ignorant the majority has become.
I trust him, until he proves otherwise, name me a dozen things he has done wrong to lose trust with people.
Asshole don't have good leadership skills. ****** rose to power thru propaganda, he controlled the flow of information. The exact opposite reason why ussr fell, they could no longer control the propaganda.
U lead on intellignec, i'm just pointing that out, ie, understanding, it's not right or wrong, like most stuff a great strength that can also have a weakness associated with it.
Man, have u ever seen Jay Leno's Jay Walking, the average person is a good person that struggles with remembering information from school and learning new stuff.
So, u r worried about obama's followers or obama himself.
Like I asked, what has he done wrong.
And fwiw, the first time i saw him he caught my eye, and i was fairly sure he was good, i have watched him for hours on end, and why i say i know what he is doing, is because he has been by god as consistent as a ruler on doing the right things leadership wise, it might not seem like it yet it takes great discipline, one mistep and u lose part of the consensus.
and btw, that is the problem hillary and the republicans are having, that can't find any negatives, hmmm, went to law school, spent 3 years voluntary helping, 3 years teaching law, years as a civil rights lawyer, state and federal politician, and he hasn't pissed anyone off or caused any problems , why is that?
i have a little diff. view on the responsabilities of an effective leader. i think his number one job is to surround himself with people who's strengths compensates for his weekness (build a team), in order to have the people/tools necc. to get whatever job done he's trying to do (i feel this is bush's BIGGEST flaw).
he does it once, but tweeks it often
he does it to advance the company/cause or for positive forward momentum
HE WHO MAKES A BEAST OF HIMSELF, GET'S RID OF THE PAIN OF BEING A MAN!!
I'm not going to put anyone down for flying under the radar, but the statement about things that Obama has or hasn't done to piss anyone off makes me think of something that I have always noticed that comes from the left. They try to always be on the side of whatever is most popular so not to piss anybody off or make too many waves. I've always said that. They'll do actions that benefit a little group here and there. They take actions that make some people happy while making sure not to piss anyone off. Always steering clear of earthshaking actions. Actions that really make a difference. Like from when the republican party was born under Abe Lincoln to end slavery, to present day events that are sure to, and have already, changed the face of the planet for the better, which democrats such as the Clintons even agree. They just didn't have the balls to do it because it isn't a very popular thing to do. Just my point. Also why great republican leaders are hated so passionately. From Lincoln to our current republican Bush.
So no, B. Hussein Obama hasn't pissed anyone off. He's led a rally to have some housing projects checked for asbestos in the 80s, and I'm sure his speeches about hope really hit with that group too. And nobody's gonna get pissed about actions like that, but when he becomes president in a time of war, he might not be able to do the ole democratic sub-radar flight thru his presidency.
You ain't really doing anything until you piss some people off.
I trust him, until he proves otherwise, name me a dozen things he has done wrong to lose trust with people.
First off, he's not being upfront about his beliefs. For example:
“I don't want to send another generation of American children to failing schools. I don't want that future for my daughters. I don't want that future for your sons. I do not want that future for America.” ~ Barack Obama
Wow, I mean seriously who would oppose that. That is his official position on education and it is a similar vague position on issue after issue and he has just about won the primaries without having to explain wtf he means.
Asshole don't have good leadership skills. ****** rose to power thru propaganda, he controlled the flow of information. The exact opposite reason why ussr fell, they could no longer control the propaganda.
U lead on intellignec, i'm just pointing that out, ie, understanding, it's not right or wrong, like most stuff a great strength that can also have a weakness associated with it.
Man, have u ever seen Jay Leno's Jay Walking, the average person is a good person that struggles with remembering information from school and learning new stuff.
So, u r worried about obama's followers or obama himself.
I oppose Obama, he is a liberal and he speaks like a typical statist, implying he is going to take care of people with government (force), i.e. provide a nanny state; in exchange for individual freedom of course. I worry about America's future if we can get a man through party primaries without even pressuring him to express his ideas. It is insulting to the American citizen's intelligence but then he is winning - so what does that tell you about the Obama supporter.
And fwiw, the first time i saw him he caught my eye, and i was fairly sure he was good, i have watched him for hours on end, and why i say i know what he is doing, is because he has been by god as consistent as a ruler on doing the right things leadership wise, it might not seem like it yet it takes great discipline, one mistep and u lose part of the consensus.
and btw, that is the problem hillary and the republicans are having, that can't find any negatives, hmmm, went to law school, spent 3 years voluntary helping, 3 years teaching law, years as a civil rights lawyer, state and federal politician, and he hasn't pissed anyone off or caused any problems , why is that?
Bro, he's done more drugs than George W. Bush but because he's running for the victim party's nominee, he gets a pass. He wrote in his first book that he found Marxism interesting when he went to college; ever noticed how other Marxists use vague and general terms while always talking about the great, utopia future - I'm just saying, we don't know much of anything about this mans beliefs and he's probably going to win the presidency.
who under 50 hasn't done drugs, and bunches of them
First off, i think dems have a huge problem, for some reason they believe no one is allowed to experience pain. Most of what they propose is too alleviate someones pain usually at the expense of someone else's work.
Ummmm, he's pissed a ton of people off about his stance on war. He's pissed a ton of people off because he has inspired people.
Again, what stuff has he done to HURT people?
Well he has expressed idea's, they might not be ones u want, which is fine, yet, to say he has some ulterior motive with no factual evidence, i do not understand that position.
Not an advocate of individual freedoms, that's pretty general. Name one thing he has factually done that proves that.
Almost all politicians talk in generalities because of the jay walking phenomena, that's consistent thru history.
Here in usa with freedom of speech we can challenge em, and challenge em hard.
If he becomes president, his goal like david believes leadership is key, is to find the best people, get the best idea's work across ailes and implement the best ones.
When u find the best idea's it is easier to implement them cause everyone believes in the consensus.
and fwiw, i tend to focus on the positive, and always always always contemplate the negative, thus to avoid my own stupid bias, which i have like most.
humanity, american, one word, progress, ups and downs, good times and bad, over the long term progress, each generation a different challenge.
Right now and i have been for a decade more excited about life than ever before. Why? The internet. Why? For the first time in the history of the world the genius in russia can talk to the genius in alabama, and the genius in morroco, about their genius idea's on ..........(fill in whatever passion, thing, etc.)
Before the genius toiled alone, with no one to discuss his idea's, brilliant minds working together can make brilliant things happen, ahhhhhhhh, the beautiful mind.
With leadership the majority overestimate how much can change, what can change and in what time frame, and hugely underestimate how bad bad decicions can harm people quickly.
so hilary scares the crap out of me, mc cain with his 100 year crap scares me also, obama......right now, not
and fwiw, why did bush want an agreement with iraq, why did he float 20 years several months ago, why did mc cain say 100 years
it takes a turnover of two generations to change group mindsets, enact long lasting change
right now in my two generations, we've had one govt blunder after another, promises promises promises and f up f p f up.........it's a mind set, something has too change.
Change, i should change, i must change, I can change. It takes a long time personally to make it to the third, and longer large bodies.
IMHO, i think most folks are not anti-govt, or anti-taxes, they are just anti-f ups that never end.
Oh me oh my, the systems broke we must fix it. IMHO, the system ain't broke, the government is made up of good old americans trying to do there best, that have been led for the last 20 years by one messed up upper level branch after another. That demotivates, and inspires people to cya, rather than be there best.
klash...should it come down to mccain and obama, who would you go with? (very likely will) i know who they pick for a running mate helps in the decission making proccess, but i was just wondering. you too horse.
for me...i, honestly, dont even know that i'll vote. it'll be the first time in my adult life that i didnt, but i'm not liking either really
HE WHO MAKES A BEAST OF HIMSELF, GET'S RID OF THE PAIN OF BEING A MAN!!
I support McCain over Obama with ease. I am not comfortable with some of his past, but I am comfortable with where he is now on the major issues and how he has leaned away from his liberal alikeness. I do feel that spreading a capitalist mindset across the globe is a great thing, also spreading freedom and free trade. We all benefit from that. Keep the change of mindset rolling. As trip explained, it takes a couple of generations. It's moving at a very nice, rapid pace now and has been over the past year.
I'm not comfortable at all with Obama, and I'm amazed that America is. People say 'big deal' about why he doesn't respect this, and big deal that he doesn't express concern for that, and big deal that he grew up under that, but those little 'no big deal' attributes are huge red flags to me. Major red flags! And you can bet your bottom dollar that he's tip toeing grinning his ass off that the people haven't even lifted an eyebrow to any of it. He's probably thinking, 'I can't believe this shyt, They act like it ain't even there, hehehe.' And he's just skating up to the whitehouse like nothing. He's flown under the radar and has gone unchallenged for these major red flags and that scares the hell outa me. I don't trust him. I don't think he has America's true best interest at heart. I would love to take the time to dig up more of anything I can find on things he's done in the past. I am highly against pulling out of Iraq like he wants to do. That is a very bad move. And who knows what he's got on the burners??? He won't come clean. He will not lay it out there. That's sketchy.
They all suck this time around. ALL of them! One is an untrustworthy piece of crap, another has yet to prove himself and the third one is in the wrong party for his stance on things. So, IMO, they all suck for me. Some of you may be jumping for joy with these selections and that's great for you, but I don't like any of the top three. Everyone one of them are against 'my' personal beliefs and wants in a leader.
Anyone who votes for someone who lacks a proven track record if a fool! To vote simply on 'hope' is ignorant and irresponsible. This is not the CEO job of Pepsi, this is the leader of the free world and as such they will have to be in complete control of the military, know how to work with congress and know how to actually get things done in congress. Obama has no track record of this. Instead, he has went on and on about how the system is not working and needs to be changed. This is the very system that congress uses and he's pissing off a lot of people with his vague speeches about how 'he' will fix the America that these people have messed up. Yeah, good luck getting any of these guys to cooperate with you. LOL!
If you are going after the CEO job of a company and along the process you bad mouth the work of the employees, how many do you think will cooperate with you when you take over? That's right boys and girls, very few. He won't get anything accomplished because most of congress doesn't respect him. Those who wanted Hilary over him will probably oppose him and the republicans will probably oppose him, so he won't get much done. Of course, this is just my opinion, but these guys have been around this game a while and it takes a whole lot more than some well trained power speech to get these people on board. Anyone who has ever been to any time of leadership training knows this guy is doing the stuff they teach in that. So what! Anyone can learn that stuff, it doesn't make them a leader, it just makes them a persuasive speaker. True leadership is recognized by results and Obama lacks that particular track record as far as congress goes. What bills has he created and got passed? Until a track record has been established, it's nothing more than well written words. And, let's not forget people, these guys read off the stuff that is written for them. They are consulted on what to say. Don't kid yourselves into thinking these are their words. LOL These people hire the best speech writters and read what they tell them to say. That's why when they are in a position to speak freely, it never sound quite and good.
Laws come from the people. Laws by people germain to there culture and value systems are the only ones that work.
The majority of our wealth came about thru we had Property Laws, this allowed people over generations to build capital, borrow on that captial and re-invest to create more wealth, and own hard assets that produce great wealth over time.
Forcing our own laws and value systems on other cultures does not work, it has to come from themselves.
Mc Cain, 100 years is fine with him.
We broke, disgraced the Rule of Law and Constitution when we invaded iraq.
bush and cheney have disregarded the rule of law for seven years, simple things like disregarding the fact every white house correspondence written voice and electronic has too be documented and preserved for history. Accept they ran all there email for five years thru the republican national committee server, not the govt. server, and oh me oh my, all the white house email have been lost, how convenient.
It is this total disregard by our so called leaders that has upset people.
There is zero problem being uncomfortable with Obama, or feeling that others are not doing due diligence.
To think though he has bad ulterior motives based on no factual information usually doesn't help evaluations.
Obama being vetted, u can bet hilary and staff spent several million in pursuit of the smoking gun, and news staffs across american another several million.
Your right on free trade spreading freedom etc. it's best to do it by being an example, not forcing others.
Over time they all are becoming capitalists because it is the only way to feed people, and have a better life for your family.
I guess my whole point thru this whole thing has been:
As lifters and AAS users we are stereotyped by ingnorance, that becomes propaganda that folks buy and behold with zero thought to doing research that is readily available. Instead they paint brush us with generalities, we are all cheaters, brutes, roid ragers, etc. etc. etc. All in all not good thinking, cause it's opinion based on no real knowledge or facts.
We know who we are, what it takes, what the costs, and what the joys, and the sweat of what we have earned.
To not think others in other area's of life are painted into the same corner, is not fair.
all in all, i guess that's my point
i also like discussions like this, i find it fascianting to find why people think what they really think
20% of change is knowing how
80% of change is knowing why
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