Ron Paul..

[Klash]

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So Dr. Paul's answers deviate from one show to another? That ain't good. I noticed a little double talk on a couple of questions. A candidate such as himself that's so anti government and for the people shouldn't be saying anything that he feels doesn't fully represent what he stands for. If he adjusts his answers for different settings and environments, I am not for him at all. I want someone that does not deviate and stands his ground even if that person might have some views that I don't agree with 100%.

I am not aware of any double talk at all. But I know he was interviewed several times by Alex Jones - maybe even before his bid for presidential nominee of the republican party and these 9/11 truthers are the people that really supported him at the beginning of his campaign. As far as I know he has never implied that he believes there was a government conspiracy involved in 9/11 but I believe he has stated that he believes there should be another independent investigation.

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okay, that's good. Beck also stated that out of everything he has reviewed of Ron Paul that Paul leaves no room for thought that he could hold any such belief or theory. Paul stated exactly as it is. Because of government ineptness you have poeple that think it's cleverness and then leap over to conspiracy. Those are the ones that need to relocate their rocker and marbles and attach themself to them so they don't loose them again.

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^ your funny man, you keep stating what he said at first then add your own twist of bs..He said nothing about conspiracy theorists being crazy period..Im not gonna get involved in debating you about 9-11, thats not the purpose of the thread.Ron Paul hasnt double talked, but he does believe when the people investigating an event are the ones who may have conspired it, there is a conflict- therefore he supports a new investigation by non gov't figures. The 9-11 commision report was a joke done by the wrong people.

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^ your funny man, you keep stating what he said at first then add your own twist of bs..He said nothing about conspiracy theorists being crazy period..Im not gonna get involved in debating you about 9-11, thats not the purpose of the thread.Ron Paul hasnt double talked, but he does believe when the people investigating an event are the ones who may have conspired it, there is a conflict- therefore he supports a new investigation by non gov't figures. The 9-11 commision report was a joke done by the wrong people.

I've got it on dvr for people like you.One of the terms he used for it verbatim, and as I said, "preposterous," which means: completely contrary to nature, reason, or common sense; absurd; senseless; utterly foolish.
Don't get mad at me because your man condemned the group that you apparently belong to, and said that conspiracy theorist "get carried away".

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Im not gonna get involved in debating you about 9-11, thats not the purpose of the thread..

And no, you won't get involved in debating 9/11 with me. I will not engage in preposterous, as Ron Paul put it, debate. I'll just say this. Watch a building demolished in a controled method useing explosives and watch the Twin Towers come down. You'll notice some differences. The buildings brought down with explosives has a sequence of loud (booms) one after the other. Those are explosives going off. You can hear them from miles away. You'll even see shrapnel from the explosives and parts of building blow away from where the explosives go off. Then after this series of explosives, you'll notice the buildings come down in an implosive type of fall, toward the center. They do not (mushroom) out and fall from top to bottom as the above floor slams into the lower floor. When you watch the Twin Towers fall you'll hear no explosives going off. The buildings collapse from top, over the damaged area where the planes hit and started fires, to bottom. You'll also notice the debres from the buildings (mushroom out) well over a couple of city blocks. No (bangs) from explosives going off. Just the sound of the buildings collapsing from floor to floor is what the people that were in the building and survived claimed to hear.

.Ron Paul hasnt double talked, .

And I said that I noticed a couple of times of a little double talk. Like when he stated that we fight Israel's battles for them, and then quickly withdrew and agreed that we hold them back from battles. I can replay it and repeat it verbatim for you if you'd like, or I'm sure you can see for yourself on youtube. You said Ron Paul's statements vary.lol...you're funny.

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interview

glen beck, imho, he is a great interviewer 90% of the time and then 10% he is quite ridiculous

what the hell did him getting emails about bs have to do with interviewing ron paul

for those of u interested in why he is doing well, listen to the last five minutes

He bases his principles on two things, ghandi and king.

All men are created equal, and peace and change thru non-violence.

Well, wether one wants to believe it or not those are the principles that have been taugh in school for 50 years now, and the most widely held views and believes in america.

It is how and why vietnam war was stopped. It is why folks are po'd about irag, and not about afganistan.

The good thing about paul is he really really knows his ****, and can answer any question, he is very well versed.

he really needs better sound bites or talking points

and fwiw, i use ghandi and king in my teaching all the time

anyways, fwiw, here's my two pennies

no. 1, he should hammer on 1913 the year they institutied income tax, why did they do it, war war war war war, the politicians, wanted a war chest and once they got the money what did they do

no. 2, focus on social security, talk about stealing a nation of responsibility, out of the great depression and the stock market crash of 1929, came oh my go we have to protect everyone, we will institutie, social security and welfare, two more behemoth govt programs

this allows families the luxury of not having too teach there kids and granddis responsibilties

health care, corporations started giving away health care in the '60's whe it was cheap to do so, by 1980 the cost got a little out of hand, so they had the insurance companies become more involved to control costs, and as we all know, instead of having two folks involved in a transaction of money, doctor and patient, now we have five, doctor, patient, insurance company, corporation, and the government, and u wonder why people are pissed, they have zero power, there responsibility has been again stripped from them.

my favorite part of the interview when he correctly described al queda, a bunch of thugs, with no navy, no army, no organization, and for some reason people are deathly afraid of them, imho, that is the biggest shill job on the american public

al quida survivies in folks minds and the mountains of afganny, where they have zero influence

even in iraq the locals got so pissed at there bull****, they killed em and thru em out

al quida, is a cult, they want to control people, think about it, they want to control people, because in the third world they still see people ass assets, that have value and are worth lot's of money if owned and controlled

like the world, 90% are going too lose out too that idea, it is quite clear, freedom is based on inamiate objects of value, assets, that continue to increase life and liberty and happiness

u control assets, not people

nuff said

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And I said that I noticed a couple of times of a little double talk. Like when he stated that we fight Israel's battles for them, and then quickly withdrew and agreed that we hold them back from battles. I can replay it and repeat it verbatim for you if you'd like, or I'm sure you can see for yourself on youtube. You said Ron Paul's statements vary.lol...you're funny.

We do both. If you re-watch it under the context of his later comment of Israel's sovereignty has been subordinated to us. We ask them not to strike back at their assaulter's. An example of what he was referring to is when Iraq attacked Israel with scud missiles during the Persian Gulf War and America asked them not to strike back because of the fear of broadening the war if Israel was involved, when Israel was extremely justified in doing so but they let America handle their retaliation for them.

He wasn't double talking; I just don't think it was real clear for people who are not familiar with his positions.

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oh, fwiw, when u instill fear in folks u can get them to give up lotsa of stuff

like freedom, money, reality

i'm not a nut job conspiracy theory guy, imho, the politicians are actually imho do have good intentions, it is just that the system is so bloated, and bequiled, they act like lemmings

i must say, i was happy to see some real action, chris dodd filibustering, yeah momma

it's about time someone stands up for doing the right thing, come hell or highwater

hint, hint, the other guy wins, when u abandon your principles and value systems, that is the first key to get folks to question who and what they are, and then become lemmings


oh and note zaharry of alquida open up to questions from all comers, lol, can u spell desperation in spades, it's something about dying and getting killed that really demoralizes your average troop

imho, recruitment is way way way down, why, all the nut jobs that wanted too follow a nut job already have, the total pool of nut jobs has been tapped, who is left too recruit

imho, it's one of reasons why we have a backing off of iran bs, we don't want to give them any more fador for recruitment

hate motivates

good merry jolly's to all

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We do both. If you re-watch it under the context of his later comment of Israel's sovereignty has been subordinated to us. We ask them not to strike back at their assaulter's. An example of what he was referring to is when Iraq attacked Israel with scud missiles during the Persian Gulf War and America asked them not to strike back because of the fear of broadening the war if Israel was involved, when Israel was extremely justified in doing so but they let America handle their retaliation for them.

He wasn't double talking; I just don't think it was real clear for people who are not familiar with his positions.

i dare say 9 out of 10 people have no idea or clue of all the israel bull**** that has gone on for the last 70 years

i actually thought his analysis, answer was brilliant on this point

u want too control people, let them drink from the money spigot

again, our intention is not too control, it is really to help, yet, in the end the responsibiltiy is taken away, and thus personal power, and u get piss poor decision making and long term plannin

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imho, the politicians are actually imho do have good intentions, it is just that the system is so bloated, and bequiled, they act like lemmings

I agree, when people are brought up in a world of faith and altruism. They learn it is easier to compromise than disagree about everything with everyone. And once you start compromising nutrients (reason/freedom) with poison (faith/force) bit by bit before long your not eating anything but poison but that's all thats offered. I think this analogy represents are current political climate. Most politicians are giving the same song and dance - with Ron Paul you don't have to eat the same $hit anymore.

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I agree, when people are brought up in a world of faith and altruism. They learn it is easier to compromise than disagree about everything with everyone. And once you start compromising nutrients (reason/freedom) with poison (faith/force) bit by bit before long your not eating anything but poison but that's all thats offered. I think this analogy represents are current political climate. Most politicians are giving the same song and dance - with Ron Paul you don't have to eat the same $hit anymore.

true. I want Ron Paul in there so bad. I would do anything to see him in office and keep his word...all of them. It would be great! I just don't see it happening. His supporters are strong and dedicated like none other, but I don't think he has the numbers. But, man would I love to see it in my day. I would love 2 terms and another one right behind him with the same mindset. It would be great. I can handle mine, but to watch what would happen for about 2 generations, if we stayed the coarse that he would establish, would be... interesting??, if that's the appropriate word for it.

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true. I want Ron Paul in there so bad. I would do anything to see him in office and keep his word...all of them. It would be great! I just don't see it happening. His supporters are strong and dedicated like none other, but I don't think he has the numbers. But, man would I love to see it in my day. I would love 2 terms and another one right behind him with the same mindset. It would be great. I can handle mine, but to watch what would happen for about 2 generations, if we stayed the coarse that he would establish, would be... interesting??, if that's the appropriate word for it.

I think his following is better than we know.

Ralph Nader received 2% of the popular vote in 2000; which is what opinion polls show Ron Paul at now but Ron Paul raised just about as much money in one day, from 58,000+ contributors, as Ralph Nader raised in his entire campaign.

That's why I posted this thread, there's got to be some kind of discrepancy, because his campaign support, along with his straw poll results aren't matching up with his national opinion poll results.

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fuk opinion polls!!! they mean shyt. i just want the guy to do what he's got to, to get his message out to more people! the older community will listen if he try's to reach them, and the chance of them showing up at the polls are greater. my dad is a democrat...VERY MUCH a democrat...he's in on this guy now that i led him to the punch bowl! my mom is a republican (see? it can work, lol) and she too is in. neither had really heard much about the guy and was not even thinking about voting for him. both are switching over to undeclared so they can vote for him....he needs to reach older voters!

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yeah, I have my mom for him. I told her to tell her friends to vote for him. I gave her the key points that will get her little group of friends on board, then maybe they'll tell some folks.
What's powerful is the group that's on the Ron Paul band wagon. This unique group of the younger demographic will out number that large percent of dems that would absolutely have a fit if he got in. I think those democrats don't and/or can't vote anyway, for the most part.

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ahhh...Sounds like Djdiggler would be included in the conspiracy group that Ron Paul condemned. He even went so far to call the ideas that the government was involved in 9/11 "preposterous" and that those ideas and extreme consiracy theorist that "let their minds run away" are absolutely rediculous.

Ask yourself this.......If more than 50% of the population isn't intelligent enough to put the puzzle pieces together, and he needs a majority of votes to get in office and change this country for the better.

Would it be beneficial for him to come out and say 9/11 needs an investigation during an interview while he's running for president??


Maybe you need to learn how politics really works. He tried not to be a double talker the best he could. He doesn't try to cater to each individual group. He sticks to his beliefs and that's why he has a strong following. But like everyone else in the world, everyone always has motives or plans that they wouldn't exactly lay out for the world to see for fear that he wouldn't be able to accomplish his goals.

You say people like me are "Nuts" and even called me out to be in that group.

I don't think you get it. Most people laugh about your "Energy" claim that people have. I think it brilliant. The difference is, most people don't have the foresight to see that type of logic, or to think like that. It doesn't mean it's false, it just means that most aren't smart enough to come to a conclusion on things. I think your idea was very logical. But sadly there's less proof for your claim, than their is for the 9/11 conspiracy views. Not only that but you are wrong if you watch them side by side in the video in my sig, you do hear the explosions. They even stop and play them back. The fireman and police officers said there were explosions in the basement much before the towers fell. Then there was a series of explosions when they fell. These people had nothing to gain by making those comments. Apparently you haven't watched the vid in my sig. Maybe your just to proud to have the possibility of having an open mind.

Maybe I am a conspiracy theorist. I didn't always see things this way. I used to think it was impossible for a government to do this to their own people. I couldn't understand how or why they would want to. Then when you look at all aspects.....not just 9/11 but corruption on every level even down to the water you drink. You start to see the whole picture. Once the puzzle came together, all doubts (or should I say "HOPE" that this stuff was false) came to a final conclusion. Atleast I have the ability to have an open mind and see all sides. That's how I came to think how I do.

That's the difference between a leader and a follower. Some people are lemmings and do and think how they're told. Others think for themselves, and believe only what they conclude themselves.