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[Klash]

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"they", the people of the bible, bible thumpers, preachers, christians, church goers. They say dicard the Old Testament and live by the new. I never implied any religion to be totallly reasonable so why are you jumping on my case about Jesus and Jesus believers?

I was pointing out there is no reason to focus on the "dumbass, illogical and ignorant" variables of one religion, when all the western religions promote bigotry and hypocrisy and all religions promote dogma and irrational beliefs. Moderate faithfuls create an environment that sustains fundamentalist and radical faithfuls.

I've argued til I'm blue in the face with bible thumpers about some of the stuff they claim. The New Testament is more reasonable than the Quran though. It's not just because different culture, it's a fact. You shouldn't beat a woman because she didn't obey. Right and wrong doesn't just apply to Math. There is a right way and a wrong way. Some people just can't figure it out obviously. You have to understand that I don't say it's wrong just because it's different. It is wrong because it is wrong and there is a right way.

There ya go. Good job...exactly. It works better and better as time goes by. The results are clear.

Terrrorist need no right, but we are far from being fine tuned and in harmony. That will never happen. We have to many people that disrespect life. You can sit here all day and list illogical laws. Like I said, we're learning everyday and yes, I feel better ways are inevitable with time just as you grow wiser the older you get, but what am I thinking?... You know everything now.

And how do you know these "terrorists", that "need no right[s]" are terrorists? Because you believe the government? If the "terrorists" never has the opportunity to defend himself; he is only accused of being a terrorist; he has never been proven to be a "terrorist".

[solidground]

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^right..plus define a terrorist..under the patriot act its anyone who breaks a federal law. in other words someone who uses steroids can be considered a terrorist.

[horsepwr]

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^right..plus define a terrorist..under the patriot act its anyone who breaks a federal law. in other words someone who uses steroids can be considered a terrorist.

I was gonna say something similar. What exactly is a terrorist anyway?..but I know, they shouldn't hold someone without formal charges, trial, etc...but aren't they doing that outside of the U.S.? Call me what you want but I'm not so sure I'm all for this freedom for everyone bullshyt we in America claim anyway.

And klash I agree that at least the religions that I know so little about do display unreasonable tales and illogic. The reason I singled out Islam is because that's the topic at hand, and it seems to be the most irrational. Religious freaks need to follow their own rules since that's what they believe, but don't throw that shyt on me. If you believe it and preach it, do it. Don't be a hypocrit. If someone truly believes in their religion and feels their faith is correct then they should be radical and extreme about it. There shouldn't be a luke warm if you believe strongly. I know some extreme Christians, you couldn't imagine the debates we've had, but they don't believe in killing people of different beliefs. They believe a woman shouldn't cut her hair or wear pants...whoa big deal. Nobody gets blown up. But that's ignorant to me as well.

[Klash]

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I was gonna say something similar. What exactly is a terrorist anyway?..but I know, they shouldn't hold someone without formal charges, trial, etc...but aren't they doing that outside of the U.S.? Call me what you want but I'm not so sure I'm all for this freedom for everyone bullshyt we in America claim anyway.

Does it matter whether they are doing it inside or outside the U.S.? They can do it to whoever they deem a terrorist. How are you going to prove anything if you do not have a right to a trial. You would be unable to even prove you were an American citizen. The discretion or lack of it, is some government agent.
Not many, in America, do support freedom.

And klash I agree that at least the religions that I know so little about do display unreasonable tales and illogic. The reason I singled out Islam is because that's the topic at hand, and it seems to be the most irrational. Religious freaks need to follow their own rules since that's what they believe, but don't throw that shyt on me. If you believe it and preach it, do it. Don't be a hypocrit. If someone truly believes in their religion and feels their faith is correct then they should be radical and extreme about it. There shouldn't be a luke warm if you believe strongly. I know some extreme Christians, you couldn't imagine the debates we've had, but they don't believe in killing people of different beliefs. They believe a woman shouldn't cut her hair or wear pants...whoa big deal. Nobody gets blown up. But that's ignorant to me as well.

I agree, religious people should live their beliefs. The thing is I think most do live their beliefs according to their interpretation of the irrational (faith); the result - contradictions, bigotry and hypocrisy. People name their god YHWH, Allah, Jesus, etc. but every theist has their own individual god they created with characteristics they wish him to have. It would be hard to find two Christians who possess the exact same beliefs as to the characteristics of their two ideas of god. With faith just about anything can be justified. The Quran supports evil; so does the Bible. Some Christians say omit the O.T., that's because that helps justify their image of god; others will justify the legitimacy of the O.T. with Matthew 5:17 to reinforce their image of god.

I agree Islam does seem to produce more violent militant followers, today but all religions can be defined by your earlier adjectives with history to confirm it.

[daved150]

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i agree, the koran has a pretty violent slant on it. thats another reason why i belong to the church of dave

[horsepwr]

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Does it matter whether they are doing it inside or outside the U.S.? They can do it to whoever they deem a terrorist. How are you going to prove anything if you do not have a right to a trial. You would be unable to even prove you were an American citizen. The discretion or lack of it, is some government agent.
Not many, in America, do support freedom..

See, you won't like my point of view on this. I don't give a flyin flip about someone's freedom or right for trial or even food to stay alive for that matter if they want me, my family and all my beliefs destroyed. You don't need a trial to know that a Taliban wants that. Like Metallica said, Kill 'em All. If you catch a child with his hand in the cookie jar right before dinner, you don't need a trial to figure out if he was gonna eat a cookie.

Didn't one terrorist, they held for like 3 years until they made damn sure he was charged correctly and all that, finally stand trial and got life?(some people even began raising hell for this terrorist's rights) If that's what is needed, so be it. I trust that "they" that deems them to be terrorist before I do the deemed terrorist himself. The "terrorists" put theimselves in that situation. You won't find me hanging out with people that I could end up thrown in jail and held because of their actions, know what I mean?

I have an answer for proving American citizenship. If you can't prove you were born in America or born outside during a parent's military duty for the great U.S.of A. then get out now, lol...make it easy..and fast.lol..I know, I know..just kidding, to some degree.

I agree, religious people should live their beliefs. The thing is I think most do live their beliefs according to their interpretation of the irrational (faith); the result - contradictions, bigotry and hypocrisy. People name their god YHWH, Allah, Jesus, etc. but every theist has their own individual god they created with characteristics they wish him to have. It would be hard to find two Christians who possess the exact same beliefs as to the characteristics of their two ideas of god. With faith just about anything can be justified. The Quran supports evil; so does the Bible. Some Christians say omit the O.T., that's because that helps justify their image of god; others will justify the legitimacy of the O.T. with Matthew 5:17 to reinforce their image of god.

I agree Islam does seem to produce more violent militant followers, today but all religions can be defined by your earlier adjectives with history to confirm it.

oh yeah, exactly. I fully agree. They can't all be right.

[Klash]

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See, you won't like my point of view on this. I don't give a flyin flip about someone's freedom or right for trial or even food to stay alive for that matter if they want me, my family and all my beliefs destroyed. You don't need a trial to know that a Taliban wants that. Like Metallica said, Kill 'em All. If you catch a child with his hand in the cookie jar right before dinner, you don't need a trial to figure out if he was gonna eat a cookie.

Didn't one terrorist, they held for like 3 years until they made damn sure he was charged correctly and all that, finally stand trial and got life?(some people even began raising hell for this terrorist's rights) If that's what is needed, so be it. I trust that "they" that deems them to be terrorist before I do the deemed terrorist himself. The "terrorists" put theimselves in that situation. You won't find me hanging out with people that I could end up thrown in jail and held because of their actions, know what I mean?

I have an answer for proving American citizenship. If you can't prove you were born in America or born outside during a parent's military duty for the great U.S.of A. then get out now, lol...make it easy..and fast.lol..I know, I know..just kidding, to some degree.




oh yeah, exactly. I fully agree. They can't all be right.

If you cherish your own freedom, you have no choice but to support the freedom of all your countrymen - even if they are accused of being a terrorist. Well, I guess you have a choice but it would be whether to be a hypocrite or not.
I guess a lot of my (libertarian) positions come down to: I don't trust men (competently or morally), solely because they wear government hats.

[horsepwr]

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If you cherish your own freedom, you have no choice but to support the freedom of all your countrymen - even if they are accused of being a terrorist. Well, I guess you have a choice but it would be whether to be a hypocrite or not.
I guess a lot of my (libertarian) positions come down to: I don't trust men (competently or morally), solely because they wear government hats.

I don't either, but I trust them to look out for America's best interest over a man in a turban.