Dog fighting - Wrong?

[daved150]

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you dont have to "make" a pit bull fight. Pure instinct... just like you dont need to show a hound to sniff, or a pointer to point.....i have had pitbulls, and while i never participated in organized dog fights, i will tell you they love to fight, and will do so every chance they get...its what they were bred for for hundreds maybe thousands of years..is the dog just doing something they love? maybe...i know i dont have pitbulls anymore because of their obsession to fight anything around..to big of a liability...but i dont feel the way the old timers did it was cruel...they never killed a dog, and never let them fight to the death...these gangstas started this ...

true enough i guess, but i assume you didnt provide an area for them to fight, train them to fight, bet on their fight's and kill the loser...not really the samething in my opinion. and, i believe, the "old timers" were wrong too! it is an agressive breed, but i have a friend that has one and, so far, it's proved to be a great member of his family. it acts like a dog, not a fighting machine, (fukers name is cupcake, and becouse of the breeds reputation, i dont trust it for one minute) i believe alot of it is the wat they are raised. yes, it's more agressive by nature, but you aint gotta help that aggession along!

[Slightly Enhanced]

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i can't find any entertainment value in watching dogs fights

[brody13]

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I wouldnt want to watch it, but i dont think its that bad... animals fight all the time... and is it really any worse then a chettah chassing down and eating a dear alive? Im not justifying it, just saying, dont think its that bad, but still kinda bad.

[Klash]

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I wouldnt want to watch it, but i dont think its that bad... animals fight all the time... and is it really any worse then a chettah chassing down and eating a dear alive? Im not justifying it, just saying, dont think its that bad, but still kinda bad.

Yeah, animals fight all the time in nature - to eat. Organized dog fighting is training an animal to fight, not for food or survival but for human gambling but I am starting to realize it shouldn't be illegal. You can't really make it illegal without giving animals some type of rights. Considering we eat them, I don't see how you could do that without running into a contradiction. I'm in conflict on this one - interesting topic.

[daved150]

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Yeah, animals fight all the time in nature - to eat. Organized dog fighting is training an animal to fight, not for food or survival but for human gambling but I am starting to realize it shouldn't be illegal. You can't really make it illegal without giving animals some type of rights. Considering we eat them, I don't see how you could do that without running into a contradiction. I'm in conflict on this one - interesting topic.

"in conflict on this one"...klash, will you stop with me?! i know better than that. we're not talking about the existance of god here, or something you cant see of feel...we're talking about fuked up individual's training dogs to kill eachother for entertainment!!! please. i'd be more in on humans battling to the death...they have a voice...they have free will...these are dumb animals manipulated for the enjoyment of few. once these guy's are done with these dogs, there's nothing left but for them to be put down. and, there's plenty of thesse assholes that just release them, when there done. their not the most consciences mothafukers on the planet!!!

[T-Man007]

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well the dog has no choice to fight as you're training them to fight in the first place. then you're betting on this and making then kill each other and risk their lives just for fun and money. w/ hunting, you kill it instantly and its for food. its the food chain. we're meat eaters. we eat animals. but watching an animal torture another animal for your own pleasure is just plain wrong. whether its a dog, a rooster, whatever.

This is how I see it too! Look, I've had dogs that would get in fights with other dogs and it was to establish the Alpha male thing, that's fine. But, forcing any animal to mutilate another animal for your pleasure is not right in my mind. Yes, I realize they are animals but it's jsut not humane to make animals fight for the sake of money. It's animal cruelty IMO.

[Klash]

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"in conflict on this one"...klash, will you stop with me?! i know better than that. we're not talking about the existance of god here, or something you cant see of feel...we're talking about fuked up individual's training dogs to kill eachother for entertainment!!! please. i'd be more in on humans battling to the death...they have a voice...they have free will...these are dumb animals manipulated for the enjoyment of few. once these guy's are done with these dogs, there's nothing left but for them to be put down. and, there's plenty of thesse assholes that just release them, when there done. their not the most consciences mothafukers on the planet!!!

I agree with you. That's why it conflicting for me. My initial emotional response is hate towards the guys who participate in this because I value all of life and because of that value I want this to be banned. I think organized dog fighting is an unnecessary, irrational violence towards animals. That is my own morality, though. I do not like it when people try to push their morality on me, e.g. PETA for example. What is the difference between their justification that all violence towards animals is wrong and my justification that dog fighting is wrong or Pink's justification that dog racing is wrong. Should every action towards animals that someone defines as wrong be illegal; no we'd all be forced to be vegetarians. So I'm starting to come down on the side that it is way phucking wrong but it should not be illegal.



Now if one of these guys release their trained dog into society without disclosure and it kills someone - hang em and let the dog root the corpse.

[mtnmedic]

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Just plain cowardice ! why not put themselves in a cage and fight it out to a bloody death ? people are just s#itbags nowadays I swear ! everything just revolves around violence and bulls#it. now im not all that "whitebread" but gee wiz,..what happened ? it's like nobodys cool anymore, everybody just wants to whoop ass and has some kind of chip on their shoulder. hell, ya hold the door open for a woman nowadays and they act like you owe'm something,..not even a half assed thank you or a smile. people turn into bigger p7icks on the road too ! parks are closing, spraypaint on everything, vandalisim everywhere, sleep with a gun by the bed. miss this world when im gone or wish I was 20 years younger,...? s#it, you all can have it.

[MAK2102]

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I do disagree with what people that own these "enterprises" are doing....but on the other hand, there are some counties/states that are trying to outlaw pitbulls. The are going around euthanizing these dogs just because they are that....a pitbull. Now granted its probably more humane, but is that right?

[daved150]

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I agree with you. That's why it conflicting for me. My initial emotional response is hate towards the guys who participate in this because I value all of life and because of that value I want this to be banned. I think organized dog fighting is an unnecessary, irrational violence towards animals. That is my own morality, though. I do not like it when people try to push their morality on me, e.g. PETA for example. What is the difference between their justification that all violence towards animals is wrong and my justification that dog fighting is wrong or Pink's justification that dog racing is wrong. Should every action towards animals that someone defines as wrong be illegal; no we'd all be forced to be vegetarians. So I'm starting to come down on the side that it is way phucking wrong but it should not be illegal.



Now if one of these guys release their trained dog into society without disclosure and it kills someone - hang em and let the dog root the corpse.

first of all, for peta, what are they calling "all violence"?...yes, cat fights to the death, trained pig fights to the death, trained cow fights to the death should all be illegal!!! hamburger? not illegal...
i have yet to see a dog race inwitch one lunges over to rip the throat out of the winner, followed by some moron drawning the loser....
klash, i know you do know right from wrong...you know the answer to all this...your trying to play devils advocate by "sitting on the fence" with this subject, but you understand that there is a line...dog racing is in the very light grey side of the line...dog fighting is on the black side of the line!!! it's not people "pushing" morality on you with this subject, it's common sence...ANYBODY with a moral compass is against such a thing and we, as a society, are not wrong to want this illegal!!! the argument that you dont want someone else to push their morality on you, so you lean towards making it legal, is kinda silly...there's web sites out there that play to the fact that some people have and see no problem in canobalism....jeffery dahmer (not the guy from "the ringer") had a habit of grabbing kids and eating them...seeing how this website exist's, and clearly, there are other fuked up individual's like him, should we just okey canobalism? should it be ok to just grab a kid for a snack? i mean, there's other fuked up individual's out there, that WANTS to be eaten. i'm not trying to push MY morality on you about canobalism, but, dude...i'm against it.

[Klash]

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first of all, for peta, what are they calling "all violence"?...yes, cat fights to the death, trained pig fights to the death, trained cow fights to the death should all be illegal!!! hamburger? not illegal...
i have yet to see a dog race inwitch one lunges over to rip the throat out of the winner, followed by some moron drawning the loser....
klash, i know you do know right from wrong...you know the answer to all this...your trying to play devils advocate by "sitting on the fence" with this subject, but you understand that there is a line...dog racing is in the very light grey side of the line...dog fighting is on the black side of the line!!! it's not people "pushing" morality on you with this subject, it's common sence...ANYBODY with a moral compass is against such a thing and we, as a society, are not wrong to want this illegal!!!

It seems we have a similar position on the treatment of animals but we can't just define our position as the "common sense" position and invoke legislation that enforces our position. Anyone can use that argument - even people like Michael Vick or Peta. So we have to articulate our support for logical legislation, while keeping in mind humans work animals, use them for clothing and eat them. We can't give animals rights without being in contradiction with that reality (humans using animals for nutrition and production). Animals are property. In a "free society" you can't force an irrational person from buying a car and then destroying it.

the argument that you dont want someone else to push their morality on you, so you lean towards making it legal, is kinda silly...there's web sites out there that play to the fact that some people have and see no problem in canobalism....jeffery dahmer (not the guy from "the ringer") had a habit of grabbing kids and eating them...seeing how this website exist's, and clearly, there are other fuked up individual's like him, should we just okey canobalism? should it be ok to just grab a kid for a snack? i mean, there's other fuked up individual's out there, that WANTS to be eaten. i'm not trying to push MY morality on you about canobalism, but, dude...i'm against it.

Cannibalism, in your example, involves infringing another humans rights by assaulting, abducting, killing and mutilating their corpses. I would deeply oppose that but if someone did not oppose their body, after their death, being eaten; that is a different matter.

[daved150]

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It seems we have a similar position on the treatment of animals but we can't just define our position as the "common sense" position and invoke legislation that enforces our position. Anyone can use that argument - even people like Michael Vick or Peta. So we have to articulate our support for logical legislation, while keeping in mind humans work animals, use them for clothing and eat them. We can't give animals rights without being in contradiction with that reality (humans using animals for nutrition and production). Animals are property. In a "free society" you can't force an irrational person from buying a car and then destroying it.




Cannibalism, in your example, involves infringing another humans rights by assaulting, abducting, killing and mutilating their corpses. I would deeply oppose that but if someone did not oppose their body, after their death, being eaten; that is a different matter.

#1. yes we can
#2 happens all the time. lots of contradictions in reality and law, so whats another one?
#3 i fully support your position on this, and in fact, i encourage it!
#4 i guess you missed the part about website's that hook these people up. the eaters and the eaten...still should be illegal, regardless of the "it's there life and if they consent to it, so be it".
#5....dude....thats just sick

[daved150]

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hey...just had another thaught (i know, but it happens sometimes). in some country's, isnt it LEGAL to take a 13 or 14 year old, or younger, female for a wife? i mean, i used the cannabol example before, but let's try something witch in no-way actually "hurts" someone. the fact that we, as a society, outlaw'd sex/marriage with a minor, isnt that an example of our "becouse it's wrong" position being made into law...i know you CANT support sex/marriage with a minor (dont make me revoke your "get out of pergetory" free card!!).

[6p6]

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Stout, if you're ever in NYC, holla, I'll take you to Chinatown, some delicious chihuahua in teriyaki sauce.

I was in Korea when I was in the Marines. I'm SURE I ate dog.

LOL

[Klash]

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#1. yes we can
#2 happens all the time. lots of contradictions in reality and law, so whats another one?
#3 i fully support your position on this, and in fact, i encourage it!
#4 i guess you missed the part about website's that hook these people up. the eaters and the eaten...still should be illegal, regardless of the "it's there life and if they consent to it, so be it".
#5....dude....thats just sick

#1. Yeah we could but if we do we're undermining individual liberty and ultimately it could lead to the very things you find immoral, e.g. societies acceptance of older men marrying 13 year old females; if "common sense" was defined by some perverted majority.

This is a major problem in America today. We have abandoned the idea of defending individual liberty and we have substituted it with majority rules at the expense of the minority.

My default opinion is always individual liberty and you can't have liberty without supporting it for all the dumbphuckers out there like Michael Vick. I'm not playing devil's advocate - I just find it disgusting that people could treat animals like this but in order to support individual liberty I have to remember it is their right to do it.

hey...just had another thaught (i know, but it happens sometimes). in some country's, isnt it LEGAL to take a 13 or 14 year old, or younger, female for a wife? i mean, i used the cannabol example before, but let's try something witch in no-way actually "hurts" someone. the fact that we, as a society, outlaw'd sex/marriage with a minor, isnt that an example of our "becouse it's wrong" position being made into law...i know you CANT support sex/marriage with a minor (dont make me revoke your "get out of pergetory" free card!!).

The banning of marriage/sex with a minor is logical it may meet some peoples undefined immorality ("because it's wrong") but that is coincidental. It's wrong because there is implied coercion. You cannot remove it; it is the same as letting police officers solicit sex while on duty and in uniform - coercion is implied, same with prison guards. There is a necessary intervention to protect a minor from being coerced and manipulated and since you could never ascertain if it is coercion or something else you ban it.