Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

[Rolsroyce]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

Like the Dice man said once "they want rights, I'll give em rights, 50% off of Vaseline. Now get back in the fukkin closet!"

WURD!!!!!

[kite]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

Dude the government can pinpoint a nickel on the ground from space but they can't find a freaking cave dweller?

Ya know DJ, flames like that are gonna get your ass kicked by the Geico cave man. Or are they cave people, damn I forget.

[T-Man007]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

It affects me if they are given certain "rights" that taxpayers foot the bill for. Also I feel that some of the proposed "rights" could down the road play out so as to affect me. I know it sounds like bull**** at face value but I don't judge them. What I mean by that is that I don't judge the person, just the act. I would never tell someone that they're condemned to hell or whatever, but what I would and do say is not to throw that crap up in my face and ask for "rights". I don't try to force my beliefs on anyone and I certainly don't expect them to do it either.

It goes beyond 'rights', they get special treatment and privledges that some people don't get because they ***** and cry about it and if they don't get it they scream discrimination. They make me sick. They choose the lifestlye so they get what comes with it. And, I don't buy into that whole BS about the fetus in the womb when the mother is stressed causing alterations in the fetus' developement. However, it's a funny arguement because if you look at it from the way they defend it medically, it's actually a birth defect. LMOA! It goes like this, during pregnancy if the mother undergoes a lot of stress it 'supposidly' can cause the hormones that would tell the person to be attracted to the opposite sex to not develope correctly. Duh! That's a birth defect! If the mother goes through ANY kind of ANYTHING that causes 'unnatural' changes in the fetus, that's a birth defect. I tell you what, if they will admit they are in fact birth defects, I will support thier rights for special treatment, but they have to admit publicly that they are not normal and they are in fact the result of a abnormality. It will never happen, of course. But, that is exactly their argument as to why they are 'born' that way. Well, kids born with no arms are 'born' that way, it doesn't make them 'normal'. A 'normal' human has two arms, two legs, one head, one set of reproductive organs and so on. Any alteration from the 'norm' is a birth defect.

However, I do find it very interesting even more when there are countless numbers of twins that go in two different directions sexually. So, how much credibility does the stress theory have when that happens? Not much.

[T-Man007]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

Like the Dice man said once "they want rights, I'll give em rights, 50% off of Vaseline. Now get back in the fukkin closet!"

roflmao! That's hilarious.

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

It affects me if they are given certain "rights" that taxpayers foot the bill for. Also I feel that some of the proposed "rights" could down the road play out so as to affect me. I know it sounds like bull**** at face value but I don't judge them. What I mean by that is that I don't judge the person, just the act. I would never tell someone that they're condemned to hell or whatever, but what I would and do say is not to throw that crap up in my face and ask for "rights". I don't try to force my beliefs on anyone and I certainly don't expect them to do it either.

If it affects you that you as a taxpayer foot the bill, then why aren't you frustrated that the Federal Income Tax you pay solely pays the debt? Aren't you frustrated that when our government has the power to make it's own money debt free, it decides to have the Federal Reserve Bank (which is a private bank) make our money and then charge us interest on it? Aren't you frustrated that the money is paying interest when it could be paying for tons of other things in this country?

Did you know that Gas tax pays for all road work? Did you know that property tax pays for all school and education? All the sperate indirect taxes you pay, pay for all of the things to run our country. So how much better off would we be if our government printed it's own money debt free like it used to before 1913? Don't you find it odd that a select few from that private bank are collecting all of that tax money on interest? Don't you find it odd that these same people make interest on the money it loans us to pay for wars, and relief?

Start getting frustrated at the people that run your country, not the people that are merely citizens of it!

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

Ya know DJ, flames like that are gonna get your ass kicked by the Geico cave man. Or are they cave people, damn I forget.

That was funny!

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

Well, I have a couple reasons....one, I don't think it's right they should get full medical beneifts if they are in a state that doesn't allow gay marriage....two, their lifestyle has had a direct impact on my health insurance costs....three, they get special treatment. Companies like FORD make their employees go through an awareness course to be more sensitive to gays. That cost money, which costs the consumer eventually. They want to be treated equally but then they want special treatment on top of that and I think it's totaly bull****! Why should they be able to have full medical benefits and yet common law couples can't? It's not fair, if they want fair, then they need to play fair. I'm just sick and tired of the doulbe standard.

I disagree with you on everything except the classes part. That's part of the political correctness movement and needs to be stopped! That's when it becomes an infringement on my rights to free speech!

[T-Man007]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

If it affects you that you as a taxpayer foot the bill, then why aren't you frustrated that the Federal Income Tax you pay solely pays the debt? Aren't you frustrated that when our government has the power to make it's own money debt free, it decides to have the Federal Reserve Bank (which is a private bank) make our money and then charge us interest on it? Aren't you frustrated that the money is paying interest when it could be paying for tons of other things in this country?

Did you know that Gas tax pays for all road work? Did you know that property tax pays for all school and education? All the sperate indirect taxes you pay, pay for all of the things to run our country. So how much better off would we be if our government printed it's own money debt free like it used to before 1913? Don't you find it odd that a select few from that private bank are collecting all of that tax money on interest? Don't you find it odd that these same people make interest on the money it loans us to pay for wars, and relief?

Start getting frustrated at the people that run your country, not the people that are merely citizens of it!

You can't just go printing off money DJ. If this country just printed off billions and billions it would reduce the value of the dollar. That's basic economics. Paper money must have something to back it up like gold, silver, whatever, but there has to be something to give it value or the value drops. If we just printed off tons of money the exchange rate would go upside down and stocks would take a huge hit. The answer is not as simple as you make it.

Now, with that said, you are a guy who compalins about how the govenrment medles into everything and now you want to take control of money from a private bank and give it to 'our' government? LOL That's only going to give them MORE control over things. You forget, this country went through some very hard times and we had to get money from somewhere, so that's why we went to the Federal Reserve. But, it's not just us, most of the richest countries in the world have money in that bank. That bank has helped countries all over the world, just like it helped this one.

The only way this country is going to get out of debt is when these ***** environmentalists get out of the way and let us drill for oil. We could reverse our foutune in a few years, guaranteed! But, we can't, because some group of people doesn't want to disrupt the Tundra. It's freakin Tundra for crying out loud. Nothing grows, nothing lives, it's only purpose is death. So, make money from it! By the way, that last part was to those idiot tree huggers, not you. lol

[T-Man007]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

I disagree with you on everything except the classes part. That's part of the political correctness movement and needs to be stopped! That's when it becomes an infringement on my rights to free speech!

You disagree that homosexuals have had an impoact on health insurance? I can tell you for a fact they have. As AIDS numbers go up, so does insurance, it's no different than cancer or anything else. But, if you want to disagree, go ahead but you couldn't be more wrong. That's how insurance works. They have bean counters that can tell them out of 1,000 people, how many will slip and fall and bust their head, that's ALL rolled into EVERYONES premiums. That's how it works.

[Klash]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

It affects me if they are given certain "rights" that taxpayers foot the bill for. Also I feel that some of the proposed "rights" could down the road play out so as to affect me. I know it sounds like bull**** at face value but I don't judge them. What I mean by that is that I don't judge the person, just the act. I would never tell someone that they're condemned to hell or whatever, but what I would and do say is not to throw that crap up in my face and ask for "rights". I don't try to force my beliefs on anyone and I certainly don't expect them to do it either.

I don't know what you mean as in rights that taxpayers foot the bill for but I am willing to bet giving "homosexuals" equal rights is not the fundamental problem here, it would be some other government legislation that is forcing financial support of something it shouldn't be paying for in the first place.

The problem is not that gays are wanting equal rights. The problem is that government is involved in marriage, period and way too many other things. If government gets involved in something and then gives one demographic privilege over another, thats government discrimination, which is in contradiction to a free society.

Well, I have a couple reasons....one, I don't think it's right they should get full medical beneifts if they are in a state that doesn't allow gay marriage....two, their lifestyle has had a direct impact on my health insurance costs....three, they get special treatment. Companies like FORD make their employees go through an awareness course to be more sensitive to gays. That cost money, which costs the consumer eventually. They want to be treated equally but then they want special treatment on top of that and I think it's totaly bull****! Why should they be able to have full medical benefits and yet common law couples can't? It's not fair, if they want fair, then they need to play fair. I'm just sick and tired of the doulbe standard.

Your using circular logic here. They shouldn't get medical benefits in a state that doesn't allow gay marriage. Why doesn't the state allow gay marriage because people like you oppose it. Why do people like you oppose it - because the state doesn't allow it.

Medical benefits should be soli up to private companies, not the government and if the gay lifestyle is directly related to medical cost and thus heath insurance cost, private companies should be able to adjust their insurance premiums for the added risk on that demographic.

As far as Ford goes. It is a private company, if they feel that sensitivity training is an efficient way of production, it is at their own risk.

[kite]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

I don't know what you mean as in rights that taxpayers foot the bill for but I am willing to bet giving "homosexuals" equal rights is not the fundamental problem here, it would be some other government legislation that is forcing financial support of something it shouldn't be paying for in the first place.

The problem is not that gays are wanting equal rights. The problem is that government is involved in marriage, period and way too many other things. If government gets involved in something and then gives one demographic privilege over another, thats government discrimination, which is in contradiction to a free society.

As far as the tax payers footing the bill, we are paying these politians to spend all this time debating the issues which to me are non issues. I agree with you that the gov't shouldn't be involved in who we may or may not marry but marriage by deffinition is between man and woman. I also agree that it's much bigger than just gay rights. If we keep catering to these types of groups then where does it end? What about NAMBLA's rights? What about polygamy? (a potentially devastating blow to the economy through welfare services)

[solidground]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

You can't just go printing off money DJ. If this country just printed off billions and billions it would reduce the value of the dollar. That's basic economics. Paper money must have something to back it up like gold, silver, whatever, but there has to be something to give it value or the value drops. If we just printed off tons of money the exchange rate would go upside down and stocks would take a huge hit. The answer is not as simple as you make it.

thats the problem our govt is just printing money - they havent released any record of how much they have printed the last 2 yrs (believe its called the m3 or m5?) and also our money is not backed by anything, the gold standard is no longer.

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

You can't just go printing off money DJ. If this country just printed off billions and billions it would reduce the value of the dollar. That's basic economics. Paper money must have something to back it up like gold, silver, whatever, but there has to be something to give it value or the value drops. If we just printed off tons of money the exchange rate would go upside down and stocks would take a huge hit. The answer is not as simple as you make it.

Now, with that said, you are a guy who compalins about how the govenrment medles into everything and now you want to take control of money from a private bank and give it to 'our' government? LOL That's only going to give them MORE control over things. You forget, this country went through some very hard times and we had to get money from somewhere, so that's why we went to the Federal Reserve. But, it's not just us, most of the richest countries in the world have money in that bank. That bank has helped countries all over the world, just like it helped this one.

The only way this country is going to get out of debt is when these ***** environmentalists get out of the way and let us drill for oil. We could reverse our foutune in a few years, guaranteed! But, we can't, because some group of people doesn't want to disrupt the Tundra. It's freakin Tundra for crying out loud. Nothing grows, nothing lives, it's only purpose is death. So, make money from it! By the way, that last part was to those idiot tree huggers, not you. lol

Like solid said our money is no longer backed by gold or silver. Quite honestly it's not backed by anything. They stopped backing it with gold & silver over 50 years ago!

Second the only reason we have debt is because we are getting our money from a privately run bank. If we printed our own money, we would no longer have debt.

Look up quotes from our forefathers and you'll see they all believed government should print it's own money, and should never get it made privately. Even Abraham lincoln is quoted as saying that!

The ability to make the money is power. This is why the few elite whom own the bank are the ones who truly make our laws, and give the ok for anything. It all started back in 1913.

Also government does meddle in everything and shouldn't. However they should make our money. Why would you pay someone else to make it when you can make it yourself? Do you know how much that would save our country?

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

You disagree that homosexuals have had an impoact on health insurance? I can tell you for a fact they have. As AIDS numbers go up, so does insurance, it's no different than cancer or anything else. But, if you want to disagree, go ahead but you couldn't be more wrong. That's how insurance works. They have bean counters that can tell them out of 1,000 people, how many will slip and fall and bust their head, that's ALL rolled into EVERYONES premiums. That's how it works.

As Klash said they should have to pay for their own increase. If you choose to live in the ghetto expect higher car insurance rates. If you choose to be married to someone of the same sex you are charged a higher rate.

Kind of like if you smoke your rates are higher. Simple as that. Your choice is a direct result of what happens to your pocket book. The choice in this case is they decide to come out of the closet. Good for them, but unfortunately there's always negatives that come with the positive. No pun intended.

[3Vandoo]

Re: Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

You disagree that homosexuals have had an impoact on health insurance? I can tell you for a fact they have. As AIDS numbers go up, so does insurance, it's no different than cancer or anything else. But, if you want to disagree, go ahead but you couldn't be more wrong. That's how insurance works. They have bean counters that can tell them out of 1,000 people, how many will slip and fall and bust their head, that's ALL rolled into EVERYONES premiums. That's how it works.

And what about the 50 or so % of american people who are overweight and die of heart attack, diabetes and so on...