Ronnie Coleman form....

[T-Man007]

Look at his position and form on the first three back exercises. Why is it that people say you should bend over more but every video I see of him, Cutler and the other guys at the tope, they don't bend over more than 10 to 15 degrees it looks like and they use a alot of upper body movement. Let me know what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5rHqPfwmRY&mode=related&search=

[bowbow]

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If you ask me that form sucks. But who am I to say there doing it wrong. lol
The movements are so fast and jerky also. Whatever works I guess.
I know I'm bent over alot more on those excersizes.

[T-Man007]

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If you ask me that form sucks. But who am I to say there doing it wrong. lol
The movements are so fast and jerky also. Whatever works I guess.
I know I'm bent over alot more on those excersizes.

Exactly my point! Are we wasting our time with slow controlled reps? Seriously, I have yet to see one video where the top level pros use strict controlled form. I wonder if I'm holding myself back with my form. I like slow controlled reps but man, I wonder if I need to mix in some sloppy stuff too just to get the poundage up. It just makes me wonder, you know? Or, is it the fact he takes so much stuff and eats so much that this crappy form is all he needs to do to grow. I've seent eh same form on back exercises from him, Cutler, Dorian, and several others with some of the best backs in all of bbing. I think Lee Haney was probably the last guy who used good form and had a great back but even he was more upright on his bent over rows. But, all his other back exercises were much more controlled than these guys.

[bowbow]

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It does make you stop and think about always using strict form. You can deffinitly move more weight the way there doing it. I mean he's using his legs to get the weight started also. There's no negative what so ever. It just drops to start the next rep.
It's hard to say if thats how every workout is for them or do they have lighter days with better form. ???

[bgpittbull81]

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i think if ya wanna grow ya gotta go heavy and u are gonna have to cheat a little..but thats not for everyone...everyone reacts dif to dif things...so what ever works for you stick to it...

[supasaiyan99]

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Or, is it the fact he takes so much stuff and eats so much that this crappy form is all he needs to do to grow. I've seent eh same form on back exercises from him, Cutler, Dorian, and several others with some of the best backs in all of bbing.

I think you have something there. I've seen a bunch of skinny punks who have "imaginery lat syndrome" who use improper form and cheat like Ronnie and most of the pro's do. They are not growing and they just look pathetic jerking big heavy weights around like that. But the pro's eat and use high amounts of gear so it works for them versus the average guy in the gym. I say mix it up a little when you are on gear, but always try to maintain control and use good form.

[T-Man007]

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I think you have something there. I've seen a bunch of skinny punks who have "imaginery lat syndrome" who use improper form and cheat like Ronnie and most of the pro's do. They are not growing and they just look pathetic jerking big heavy weights around like that. But the pro's eat and use high amounts of gear so it works for them versus the average guy in the gym. I say mix it up a little when you are on gear, but always try to maintain control and use good form.

That's what I was thinking because I see the same thing. There will be one dude in the gym with crappy form and he looks like he's 160 soaking wet at 6' tall. Then, there will be another dude with equally crappy form but he's built like a brick **** house. Come on, I know you can't just use crappy form and get that big, you have to be doing something else. However, it just seems that you are opening yourself up to way more injuries with all the jerking. We aren't talking about a 225 bent row, these dude are jerking around 405 like it's nothing. You know that has to take it's toll on the tendon attachments and the joints.

[ottorotvic]

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The powerlifter's perspective is this:

Isolation...bad. Get as many muscles involved as possible on every exercise. Increase NM efficiency and functional strength by teaching all those little muscles to work together, rather than in "isolation".

I'm ALL about cheat rows.

BTW, the nickname for what Ronnie is doing is the "Coan Row". The great Eddie Coan is a huge advocate of these.

Isolation....BAAAAAAAAAAD.

Just my $.02.

[T-Man007]

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^^thanks for the info bro. Coan Row, huh. Well, I guess I'll have to give those bad boys a shot because that's the one thing I really want to work on is my mid upper back and at that angle, it's mostly traps anyways because there's no way the lats are helping very much from that angle.

PS - you were referring to bb row, right? Not the poor man t-bar rows.

[Corrodo]

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I cheat on all back I do except pulldowns. My back has put on a ton of mass by using these cheat methods on tbar and bent rows...My warm ups are strict and good stretch but the 2-3 working sets are to failure cheating so to speek on the whole exercise, making sure I concentrate on the muscle im doing. So I believe there is some DEF truth in this method.

[FUZO]

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I THINK RONNIE WILL COME BACK WITH A FIRE UNDER HIS ASS AND WIN NEXT YEAR

[BIGGER THAN YOU]

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i think if ya wanna grow ya gotta go heavy and u are gonna have to cheat a little..but thats not for everyone...everyone reacts dif to dif things...so what ever works for you stick to it...

ill have to agree with my boy on this one!!! ive done it both ways and when im juicing i just get it done but when im not i try to get form down as much as possible

[ottorotvic]

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^^thanks for the info bro. Coan Row, huh. Well, I guess I'll have to give those bad boys a shot because that's the one thing I really want to work on is my mid upper back and at that angle, it's mostly traps anyways because there's no way the lats are helping very much from that angle.

PS - you were referring to bb row, right? Not the poor man t-bar rows.

Yeah, the BB rows.

You're exactly right. You get the whole upper back, rhomboids, rear delts and traps. Go heavy enough and you'll even feel your erectors (do heavy rows after squats and your lower back will get a crazy pump). Of course you still hit the biceps and lats, but to lesser extent.

For powerlifters there are distinct benefits to heavy upper back work: Stronger deadlift lockout, and a bigger "shelf" to bench of off (when arching), stronger rear delts for more stable benching, and a bigger shelf to support the bar when squatting.

[youngN]

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I go by the more weight decent form...with perfect form ur weight is significantly lighter...My backs grown tremendously for jus usin heavy weights with more than decent form... So i say cheat when it comes to back, but dont cheat too much

[HeHateMe]

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I go by the more weight decent form...with perfect form ur weight is significantly lighter...My backs grown tremendously for jus usin heavy weights with more than decent form... So i say cheat when it comes to back, but dont cheat too much

That's a good rule to go by. I do pretty much the same thing.

If you watch Coleman's form, his lower back is stabilized during the entire movement. Sure he's jerking and using momentum, but he keeps the lower back tight and that's the key.