Atheists

[Klash]

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I HEARD A SAYING ONCE....

ID RATHER LIVE LIFE LIKE THERE WAS A GOD AND IN THE END FIND OUT THAT THERE WASNT ONE

THAN TO LIVE LIFE WITHOUT A GOD AND THEN IN THE END FIND OUT THAT THERE WAS ONE

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU GET IT...


EVERYONE HAS TO LIVE AND LET LIVE. AGREE TO DISAGREE.

KLASH I STILL LOVE YOU MY POLITICALLY CHARGED BROTHER!!
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That saying is in reference to Pascal's Wager. The problem with Pascal's wager is it requires that you operate off of a premise that god is a Christian god or is similar to the Christian god. It doesn't take into account a god that rewards rational thinking, intellectual honesty and rational morality and punishes blind faith. It also doesn't take into account that you could be believing in the wrong god.

[mick-G]

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No, I'm not lost and I understand faith very well. I once held a very strong faith as a child and teenager and I would waste countless hours a day reading and praying to god. I went to a private school and learned the Bible better than most. It is ironic that one of the prayer's I repeated every day was "god, I accept whatever the realization of my request brings, let me recognize the truth when I see it" and when I did - he wasn't there. I still held to my end of the bargain though, I accepted it.

Those who submit to faith use human ignorance to maintain their faith. You do not have to have all the answers in existence to recognize there is no evidence supporting the Bible, Koran, god or the supernatural. I do not have to know the intriquicies of my existence to know I exist. I do not have to know how my senses work, to use them. I know I exist, I know how to survive and that is my goal.

Creating supernatural entities only compounds the questions we don't have answers to. Instead of "why do I exist?" We now have "What is god's character?", "Why does god exist", "Why did god create us?" "Can I displease god?" "Will he punish me, if I am bad?". And all these questions lead to a dozen more and a dozen more. Theists create a lot more questions with their answer of god, than atheist do with their answer of "lets just continue existing until we find out".

The wrath of god use to scare me a little but I will have good company in hell. Prostitutes, easy women not to mention lots of prominent scientist and many of the founding fathers.
There is a multiverse theory out there. I think Stephen Hawking writes about it. It is always expanding and contracting, creating new universes and destroying others.

1st bold sentance: I wonder my brother, what it is that God did not do to help you in your time of need. Sometimes God has a reason for all things. We live and learn. Why do some babies die at an early age? Why is it that some ppls spouses die prematurely?, Why is it that some pray for life and can not conceive?, Why is it some pray and do not find salvation? You my friend, iam sure have had some very hard times in your life, but you can not blame God. Put your life in his hands and you will surely be rewarded. Sometimes it is maybe better to not worship in a denominal setting, but to read the scripture and pray directly to him. He will help you in your time of need, but do not use him as a crutch for your sorrows, but instead put your soul into him, not your "reason". God is not someone you "bargin with" You need to rely on him in your time of grief and disolutions to help bring you to the right path in life. 2nd bold sentance: Ppl do not use human ignorance to maintain their faith. This is the most ridiculious thing i have ever heard. Ppl use faith to help them become closer to God. Many may say that there are alot of evidence to support the Bible, and you can not equate the "supernatural" and false idols with God. What exactly is your "goal"?, to exist only, and to believe there is no God or life ever after for believing in him? I wish i could change your train of thought brother, but all i can do is try to make you understand. You do not question God. Try to pray and really read the Bible instead of questioning it. Put your life in his hands just for awhile and sincerely try without being objective. You do not have to use denominational churches to get on the right path. I myself do not go to church regularly, because of the contradictory doctrine i see, but i do not go against God because of it. Rather i pray and try to talk to him myself, and it does help the pain of life's tribualtions. I should hope you don't really mean what you are saying about going to hell and being in that company of ppl like that. We are all sinners, but if we repent and ask God for salvation he will be there for us. Everyone has there differences, i just hope that you find God again and not blame him.

[FUZO]

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here was the question thats it
1. How did you come to believe this way?
2. What do you believe happens to the soul or "energy" once the host dies?
3. How do you explain the profound events and experiences shared by the truely spiritual such as seemingly miraculous healings, visions, etc...
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answer kites question thats it or i will close this thread asap

[Klash]

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1st bold sentance: I wonder my brother, what it is that God did not do to help you in your time of need. Sometimes God has a reason for all things. We live and learn. Why do some babies die at an early age? Why is it that some ppls spouses die prematurely?, Why is it that some pray for life and can not conceive?, Why is it some pray and do not find salvation? You my friend, iam sure have had some very hard times in your life, but you can not blame God. Put your life in his hands and you will surely be rewarded. Sometimes it is maybe better to not worship in a denominal setting, but to read the scripture and pray directly to him. He will help you in your time of need, but do not use him as a crutch for your sorrows, but instead put your soul into him, not your "reason". God is not someone you "bargin with" You need to rely on him in your time of grief and disolutions to help bring you to the right path in life.

You are getting me all wrong. When I was younger I created this way of praying, whenever I asked god to provide something, I would always confirm to god that I was willing to accept all the consequences that came with the fulfillment of my request. I did not have any bitter falling out or lose my religion because of some traumatic event. I simply had a passion for seeking the truth and when I found the truth I accepted it - just as I promised the god who wasn't there.

2nd bold sentance: Ppl do not use human ignorance to maintain their faith. This is the most ridiculious thing i have ever heard. Ppl use faith to help them become closer to God. Many may say that there are alot of evidence to support the Bible, and you can not equate the "supernatural" and false idols with God. What exactly is your "goal"?, to exist only, and to believe there is no God or life ever after for believing in him? I wish i could change your train of thought brother, but all i can do is try to make you understand.

My goal is my happiness, which is dependent on my existence, my morality and my integrity. I desire to live forever, just as anyone else but I do not let that desire blur my mind.

You do not question God. Try to pray and really read the Bible instead of questioning it. Put your life in his hands just for awhile and sincerely try without being objective.

This would be like me asking you to deny god just for awhile.

I think everyone should question everything for even if you believe in the true god - there are still billions of people out there believing in a false god and if you don't question the concept of your god, you are letting your culture determine your destiny - whether it is right or wrong.

You do not have to use denominational churches to get on the right path. I myself do not go to church regularly, because of the contradictory doctrine i see, but i do not go against God because of it. Rather i pray and try to talk to him myself, and it does help the pain of life's tribualtions. I should hope you don't really mean what you are saying about going to hell and being in that company of ppl like that. We are all sinners, but if we repent and ask God for salvation he will be there for us. Everyone has there differences, i just hope that you find God again and not blame him.

I like where I am at but I do appreciate the genuine concern and I was half joking (only because I don't believe in an afterlife) but if I were going to be in eternity, I would not want to be with the guy that is against premarital sex and lust - I'd rather be with the hookers. You know, that is one thing Islam has over Christianity, the 72 virgins - what an enticing concept. They would have to hold me back from blowing myself up.

[mick-G]

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Well, for one..what was the way of praying that you created? You don't ask God for requests with the aspect of him fullfilling them, but rather to ask him for the strength,and pray to him forgiveness and to bring yourself closer to him. He is not a Gene, lol! Btw, i have questioned my God, i think everyone has at one point, but i don't think that i let culture control what i think as an adult, maybe as a child. What exactly was the faith or denomination of religion you were brought up as? As far as your last paragraph, sure most ppl cant deny sin, whether it be sexual in nature or anything else. I will also take it to the point of,what does a person consider a sin in sexual behavior or thoughts? You really have to equate and seperate thought processes that were instilled in you from your early childhood to what the culture you were brought up in and live in now affects your reasoning in what you believe as an adult. It would be hard for me to know how this affected you as an adult without some background. Most ppl that were brought up in a structured or for an example Roman Catholic that have gone to atheisim usually have had some traumatic or events in their lives that made them question their faith. I don't think one grows up with the intent to me an atheist, unless the parents are.

[Klash]

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Well, for one..what was the way of praying that you created? You don't ask God for requests with the aspect of him fullfilling them, but rather to ask him for the strength,and pray to him forgiveness and to bring yourself closer to him. He is not a Gene, lol!

When I was a child I did not ask god for material items, I asked him to help me recognize the truth when I saw it. I think that would be considered strength. When I was a child I took my faith very seriously, just as I do atheism now. I remember in the Bible, a man with leprosy was to go wash in the river 7 times to be cured. Sounds similar to a Gene, to me!

Btw, i have questioned my God, i think everyone has at one point, but i don't think that i let culture control what i think as an adult, maybe as a child. What exactly was the faith or denomination of religion you were brought up as?

I was raised in a southern baptist chruch and christian school.

As far as your last paragraph, sure most ppl cant deny sin, whether it be sexual in nature or anything else. I will also take it to the point of,what does a person consider a sin in sexual behavior or thoughts? You really have to equate and seperate thought processes that were instilled in you from your early childhood to what the culture you were brought up in and live in now affects your reasoning in what you believe as an adult. It would be hard for me to know how this affected you as an adult without some background. Most ppl that were brought up in a structured or for an example Roman Catholic that have gone to atheisim usually have had some traumatic or events in their lives that made them question their faith. I don't think one grows up with the intent to me an atheist, unless the parents are.

I don't think people that have been indoctrinated with religion intend to grow up to be an atheist, either. Some Christians I have met think atheists and satanists are synonymous, others think atheists are used by the devil as pawns in spiritual warfare against Christians, because they don't have the protection of god and all Christians think atheists are going to hell - so atheists are evil and that is quite a negative perception to overcome. Yet it is something to be proud of, once accomplished!

[mick-G]

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Bro, why do you quote me then go off in a dif direction? As a child you must have not taken your faith very seriously if you are blaming it on converting you to athesim. Jesus did perform miracles, but his intent was to prove that he was the Messiah and the son of God. It was i dif time period when these miracles happened. It is said that when he returns that he will show ppl without a doubt the he is the true son of God, and non believers will want to repent and convert, but it will be to late. I still think there is some kind of issue/issues that happened in your life for you to change this drastically. You use the word "faith" like it is your crutch to fall back on when you want to justify athesim. If you want to think your soul just leaves and never comes back when you die then iam sure that is what will happen to you. I find your beliefs neither a strength nor something to be proud of.

[T-Man007]

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I HEARD A SAYING ONCE....

ID RATHER LIVE LIFE LIKE THERE WAS A GOD AND IN THE END FIND OUT THAT THERE WASNT ONE

THAN TO LIVE LIFE WITHOUT A GOD AND THEN IN THE END FIND OUT THAT THERE WAS ONE

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU GET IT...


EVERYONE HAS TO LIVE AND LET LIVE. AGREE TO DISAGREE.

KLASH I STILL LOVE YOU MY POLITICALLY CHARGED BROTHER!!
O2

Heck yeah, I said that! Amongst others, of course.

I say it like this:

I would rather live my life by faith and be worng than live my life according to the world and be wrong. I don't believe even the slightest bit I'm wrong.

I also look at it from a scientific point of view. If God didn't create us, then who did? Evolution? Yeah right! Biology has proven that the only way a creature can evolve it must contain the all of the future evolutionary features it is to become in it's DNA. This is a fact. A catapiller can't become a butterfly unless the instructions are in the DNA. So, an evolutionists, who believes everything was formed from a single cell organism, has to realize what they are saying. They are basically saying that all of the information needed to create every single creature on this planet was incoded in the DNA of that first single cell organism. Bullshit! If that was true, then we would have some record in our DNA of all the animals we were and all the animals were are to become billions and billions of years from now. A creature can't just grow wings and take flight unless the DNA is designed to do so. Plain and simple. Yet, scientists would have you believe that the world was first rulled by cold blooded animals who later evolved into birds, land mamals and water mamals and everything else. How can a person logically think that makes any sense, especially considering there is no proof. It's just a theory, a theory taken on faith. The big bang theory, is another scientific belief, taken on faith. When all the smoke settles, whether you believe in God or you belief in scientific theory, it's all faith based because none of it can be proven. And that's what crack me up about evolutionsists, they say religion is a faith based belief without proof, yet they ironically put all their stock into theories, ideas created by man without an proof. LOL It's the same damn thing, except the fact that evolutionists are putting all their faith in men and religious people are putting all their faith in God. I'll take my chances with God over any man any day.