"Loose Change 9-11 Alex Jones Conpiracy"

[solidground]

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article about the news story

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/160506giantpsyop.htm

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alex Jones has some interesting things to say that is for sure but the person watching it has to have an open mind, at least that is what I have found in trying to show people the videos. other wise they close of pretty quickly.

yea he comes off very extreme..i think loose change is better to show people who are still brainwashed, it lays everything out in more detail and more organized..the loose change creator is only 21 too

[Merc]

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I just find it amazing that you dont see plane parts flying everywhere just something going in and exploding

[solidground]

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yea i know..the crash that happened in penn. is even worse..there were no bodies found and only randoms peices of the plane..the coroner said he was there for like 3 minutes

[BDiddy]

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as for the statement about clinton and gore is completely wrong..it has nothing to do with bush alone it has to do with all the neocons agenda..

Sounds like more of your propaganda talk designed to push your Neolib agenda. Which is really just Retro-lib talk. Which is of course communism is the best!


See? Anyone can make a conspiracy theory. Its not that hard.

And yes it has everything to do with Bush. Where were the conspiracy theorists for the 1st WTC hit? USS Cole? Tanzania? The launching of the missles into Iraq by Clinton? Giving up Osama numerous times? Where are the conspiracy theorys for this?

And NeoCon is just a code for the lefts continued antisemitism. It means conservative Jew.

[BDiddy]

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I can make another one about how the radical socialist and communist left wing in this country has been for the past 50 years trying to reduce America to a 2nd or 3rd world country through anti-americanism at home and abroad. They ignored the Cold War in an attempt to cause the defeat of the US at the hands of the USSR. The Venona Project proves just how deep this conspiracy runs. To further their agenda after the fall of the Soviet Union they have effectivly taken over the Democrat party and installed Chairman Howard Dean to push their failure ridden agenda on an unsuspecting America. They are still working with the ultra left wing of Russia and Vladimir Putin who is stripping away basic civil rights in his country in an attempt to create a new USSR, but one that is friendly towards the US and one that will hopefully push the US to adopt more socialism and eventually communism.


I an do another one about Teddy Kennedy and the AVN bird flu. Kennedy will release a strain of bird flu on the US public so he can blame the Bush administration for its failure to protect the US public from bird flu. At thi spoibnt, Kennedy has killed mroe US citizens than AVN flu. T
his would be in the same vein as when Kennedy blamed W for the lack of school funding, but easy research shows that Teddy got to write THE ENTIRE EDUCATION BILL. And it was passed WITH NO CHANGES!!!

[T-Man007]

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Oh God, not this again!

A large plane hit the Pentegon. Fact! Not theory, there is proof, they found the black box, and let's not forget all the people that were on that flight!

There is also the fact that many people acutally SAW it hit! I work about 10 minutes away and while I didn't personally see it, I have friends that did indeed see it go right over the freeway...

Not only was the black box found, but many pieces of the plane were found.

I guess some people really just want to believe conspiracies instead of the logical.

Skarn

You got that right bro! The need for conspriacy just cracks me up.

[T-Man007]

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Lets look at this. Note, all thre building are hit by the same size plane at relatively at the same speed. But why such little damage to the Pentago and the Twin Towers so much damage?

Simple, you see all those firetrucks that were able to extinguish the fire? Well, those weren't available to the floors way up in the air that hit the WTC buildings. You have to also look at what you are comparing. The Petagon for crying out loud is the Petagon. Out government will always have many more resources availble to protect and preserve their buildings. Also, it's much easier to extinguish a fire that low to the ground versus one that is what 60 stories in the air. There is no way to stop a fire like that. Thus, it's able to brun and burn and burn. Fire is a living thing. It needs air and something to devour. You give it that and it will do sever damage.

[T-Man007]

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Here's another link about the myths...the WTC7 issue is discussed there as well.

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Sep/16-241966.html

I guess people will believe what they want to believe, but do you seriously think that a HUGE conspiracy took place to dupe the world into believing terrorists attacked the US, killing many many people, destroyed the WTC, hit the Pentegon all for what......so this Silverman could get the insurance money? In the mean time, many more millions of dollars were lost due to the aftermath of 911....no airline flights for weeks, the cost for the cleanup and rebuild effort, etc. Not to mention the insurance company that paid the claim? Think about that one. Insurance companies are notorious for being tight and not willing to pay...even when they should! They ALWAYS investigate ALL claims and their lawyers will use anything they can to get out of paying a claim.... If there were truly a shadow of doubt it was legit, they would not have paid and the courts would have needed proof of the counter-evidence....

Skarn

Good link bro!

[T-Man007]

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I think that simply physics would show how the buildings should have fallen, yet they fell straight down. THe temp that steel melts and the temp that fuel burns two different temps.... there are simple inconsistencies that just do not make sense....just something to think about

Ummm, who said the steel melted? LOL All steel as to do is weaken, that it. Do you know the temperature that causes steel to weaken? Do you? Also, Why would you think that only fuel was burning? LOL I though those offices were full of funiture and other things. I don't care what the substance is that's burning, you put it inside an enclosed area and feed it oxygen it will get hotter. Hence the invention of the wood burning stove, it's hotter than a fire out in the open. Thus, a plane burning inside a building with concrete, steel and brick to enclose it is nothing more than a huge stove. It's really just simple physics, nothing more.

[T-Man007]

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Bro, physics does show why the buildings fell straight down. It's called pancaking.

Here's an excerpt from the Popular Mechanics article:
Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

Skarn

Well put bro!

[T-Man007]

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I think its important to remember that not all the steel was compromised the top should have fallen to the side that was hit and a majority of the building should have not fallen. An elementary test, Build a 5 foot model take a baseball throw it at about a foot from the top set it on fire and see if it falls straight down. It will give you an idea of how it should have came down.

Also remember that most of the fuel in the second building was shot out of the other side of the building, it looked like a fire ball coming out of the side of the building.

Are you an expert in stess factors of metals? How exactly do you compare a baseball and a jet. The WTC buildings were designed to take an impact from a jet. They weren't designed to withstand teh intense heat that resulted from that impact. The fact they fell straight down means nothing more the steel in that section of the building got weak at a rather even rate and the upper floors, following the laws of gravity, came straight down. Gravity doesn't pull to the side, LOL, it pulls straight down.

[T-Man007]

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If the building didn't fall straight down because of the planes are you guys suggesting that there were explosives placed on the xx level of tower 1 and yy level of tower 2 and that both airplanes hit those exact levels, without setting off the explosives - then minutes later the explosives were set off. I'm just curious to what the conspiracy theory is, if the planes didn't bring the towers down.

As for the pentagon's damage, it is consistent with the towers damage - before they collapsed.

And that's from one logical thinking dude right there. We may not agree on a lot of things but in this case our logic is the same.

[T-Man007]

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^I posted that video a few post back. The weird thing about the video is that you dont see any plane wreckage flying off just something flying into the video and blowing up...

Yeah, it's called a plane. LOL Sorry to tell you, but there are no missles that damn big except the ones that carry nukes. Why does there have to be wreckage? Why couldn't the government have cleaned it up? Do you not know how the FBI works? Somethign like this takes place they don't just sit around with their thumb up their butts. They move that stuff to a private location to be investigated.

[solidground]

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ok tman i respect your views..if i make u a copy of some dvds will u give them a chance to see the other side.. and some other FACTS..this goes for anyone.

[Skarn]

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there has not been anything that proves it was a plane..the evidence actually leans towards the fact that it wasn't..
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So, did you ignore my previous posts....the one from the Popular Mechanics investigation?

The FACT is there were body parts found and DNA evidence of every person that was on that plane. The FACT is that many people, including 2 of my friends that work at/near the Pentegon SAW the freaking plane hit the Pentegon! The FACT is the black box and many other parts of the plane were recovered.

Geesh! So what is the alternative? What do you believe hit the Pentegon if it wasn't a plane? If it wasn't flight 77, what happened to it? A huge conspiracy that made the people and plane itself simply disappear? And the witnesses that saw it hit...what about them? Maybe the gov't hired Jack Bauer to take them out? And then to say that the Sept. 12th date on the camera is a bad coverup attempt....so they were able to pull off all of the above including making the entire plane disappear, hit the military headquarters with a missle or something else other than a plane, but they just messed up the date? Come on guys.... I'm not saying our gov't is not corrupt or anything like that, but you are actually giving them more credit than they deserve!

Ok, we will all believe what we want to believe and none of us is going to change the mind of the other, so I'm out of this one

Skarn