south dakota to overturn abortion

[DJDIGGLER]

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honey I will stand up in front of my momma and say it...why? b/c she feels the same way...govt, nor you, has the right to eliminate that choice from me...to me, conception is not life yet...the fetus does not even have a brain or a heartbeat...therefore it is still something that I can do something about should the circumstances warrant it...never have I advocated abortion for birth control nor will I ever...but I am never going to sit back and allow the choice for women in this country to be taken away...this is b/w a woman and her doctor (possibly the man depending on circumstance...obviously a rape or incest would not call for this)...go back and look at what was happening before ROE v WADE...let me know if women performing their own abortions, hack jobs being done in underground places, or women throwing themselves down stairs is ok with you...if that is all ok with you then please, feel free to use that as part of your argument for overturning that law...

Perfectly put Gymdiva, but I guarantee these die hard bible thumpers like PL would say that if a woman was going to abort a baby she deserves what she gets. They are sick and twisted. That's what happens when your brainwashed. Look at the ****'s they thought ****** was righteous. We all know the truth on that one.

As for your comment to me PL, regardless If I think it's wrong or right it's not my choice to tell others what to do. And Dave Thomas wasn't a child of a rape victim. Big difference. I'm not saying all adoptee's will be a burden on society, I'm saying that a child born of rape or incest will. Simple as that. Read what I write and stop doing your damn bible interpreting. Don't twist what I say, READ WHAT I SAY!

[kite]

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Perfectly put Gymdiva, but I guarantee these die hard bible thumpers like PL would say that if a woman was going to abort a baby she deserves what she gets. They are sick and twisted. That's what happens when your brainwashed. Look at the ****'s they thought ****** was righteous. We all know the truth on that one.

As for your comment to me PL, regardless If I think it's wrong or right it's not my choice to tell others what to do. And Dave Thomas wasn't a child of a rape victim. Big difference. I'm not saying all adoptee's will be a burden on society, I'm saying that a child born of rape or incest will. Simple as that. Read what I write and stop doing your damn bible interpreting. Don't twist what I say, READ WHAT I SAY!

Ya know, I said I was done, but I just have to comment on this post. The whole deal with the back alley abortions is ludicrous. Did the women harmed by this get what they deserved? No, noone deserves to be mutilated. Did they know the risks of going to some unlicensed quack to have this done? Probably, but they did it anyway. Following that same logic, there's all sorts of things that should be made legal. It doesn't make sense.
So there you go again with your insults, "Bible thumpers" are sick twisted and brinwashed, huh? In other posts you claim to have faith, yet you make comments like "stop your damn Bible interpreting." You compare Christians to ****'s and say that a child of incest or rape WILL be a burden on society. Where do you arrive at such nonsense? If you have some statistics on this please share. It's obvious that you have it in for Christians, why I have no idea, but it sounds as though YOU have a similar mindset as the ****'s. Tell me, would it please you to exterminate all Christians from the face of the earth? Then you could live at peace without any "Bible thumping" to disturb you. You really need to do some soul searching. There is no need to jump down people's throats because the disagree with you. Can you not have a rational and civil discussion/debate? Why do you feel it necassary to blast an entire faith? I assure you all Christians do not jam things down everyone's throat and do not force their ideologies onto other people. Some do, but that's the case with any group of people and to throw every Christian in a box and label them idiot's is absurd and frankly show's what kind of person you are.

[daved150]

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MAN I LOVE THESE THREADS....NOW, IF WE CAN GET KLASH OVER HERE...I THINK THAT MAN LIVES FOR THIS SHIT*!! (*SHIT AS MEANING, CONVERSATION, NOT ANYWAY IMPLYING ANY VIEW ON THE SUBJECT AT HAND!)

[Klash]

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so, diggler, its ok to kill a fetus in the 1st trimester of its life, but not ok to kill it in it in the third? what about the second trimester. Would you allow it to be killed in the 1st half of the second trimester--is that still early enough? or is the 2nd half of the 2nd trimester still ok? what Im saying is that I believe that EVERY human being has a right to life. I believe that life begins at conception. You obviously believe that at some point the "fetus" becomes a baby as you say late-term abortions are wrong. Where do you draw the line? The answer is you cannot.

Lets go with your argument, just for fun - Life begins at conception!

Birth control would have to be outlawed. Most birth control, does not make it impossible for conception to occur but if conception does occur the uterus is made inhospitable for it's survival. What you pro-lifers would call murder. So we couldn't be condoning murder. So even women that simply just wanted to regulate their menstral cycle, couldn't because of the potential negligence. Ohh, how are we going to determine miscarriages? Was it negligence in the womans actions that caused it. How do we investigate that.

In-vetro fertilization would be considered mass murder in the attempts to salvage a life that already existed.

This sounds funny because your position is ridiculous. Abortion is not murder, it is not killing and is not even close.

[Klash]

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MAN I LOVE THESE THREADS....NOW, IF WE CAN GET KLASH OVER HERE...I THINK THAT MAN LIVES FOR THIS SHIT*!! (*SHIT AS MEANING, CONVERSATION, NOT ANYWAY IMPLYING ANY VIEW ON THE SUBJECT AT HAND!)

Here!

[daved150]

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Here!

I ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE POINTS YOU MAKE...EVEN WHEN I DONT QUITE AGREE, YOU MAKE FOR AN EXCELLENT DISCUSSION...(AGAIN, I AM IN NO WAY STATING ANY OPINION ON THE SUBJECT AT HAND, MEARLY JUST EXPESSING MY APPRECIATION FOR A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD TO EXPRESS HIS OPINIONS )

[DJDIGGLER]

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Ya know, I said I was done, but I just have to comment on this post. The whole deal with the back alley abortions is ludicrous. Did the women harmed by this get what they deserved? No, noone deserves to be mutilated. Did they know the risks of going to some unlicensed quack to have this done? Probably, but they did it anyway. Following that same logic, there's all sorts of things that should be made legal. It doesn't make sense.
So there you go again with your insults, "Bible thumpers" are sick twisted and brinwashed, huh? In other posts you claim to have faith, yet you make comments like "stop your damn Bible interpreting." You compare Christians to ****'s and say that a child of incest or rape WILL be a burden on society. Where do you arrive at such nonsense? If you have some statistics on this please share. It's obvious that you have it in for Christians, why I have no idea, but it sounds as though YOU have a similar mindset as the ****'s. Tell me, would it please you to exterminate all Christians from the face of the earth? Then you could live at peace without any "Bible thumping" to disturb you. You really need to do some soul searching. There is no need to jump down people's throats because the disagree with you. Can you not have a rational and civil discussion/debate? Why do you feel it necassary to blast an entire faith? I assure you all Christians do not jam things down everyone's throat and do not force their ideologies onto other people. Some do, but that's the case with any group of people and to throw every Christian in a box and label them idiot's is absurd and frankly show's what kind of person you are.

First of all kite if you and a select few others that know who I'm talking about, had the ability to interpret meanings there would be no problem. I'm not even going to try and explain myself anymore after this because you clearly have a problem with interpretation!

Just so you know I am a christian myself. But like Tmann has said in a previous post, there are all different levels of christians. There's the extremist kind, there's the type like you that think everyone should abide by your religons words, there's people like me that believe in the christian religon but has the intelligence to understand not every word is supposed to be taken in a literal sense, and that although it's okay to preach the word, it's not okay to force it on others. That the bible is made up of a lot of symbology, and that being that it was written by mortals it could have easily been misinterpreted over the years to some degree. I believe there is a lot of things left out of the bible and therefore everything has to be taken with a grain of salt.

See the phrase "Bible Thumpers" to me, isn't ALL people that read the bible. It's people that are extremists, and people that think that all laws should be changed to be in accordance with the bible, that think they can dictate their beliefs on others. Honestly I am more christian than anything else. You people are all telling me I have no faith, and blah blah blah. The point you are all missing is these so called extremists that were at the soldiers funeral protesting, that Tmann claimed were an embarrassement to true christians. They are thinking the same about people like you and Tmann. They think your liberal for not doing what they do. Kind of like how you, Tmann, and PL all think I am liberal for not following your line of thinking. Follow me yet????

Don't you see that If I have faith in god, that is between me and god. Who are you to question my faith? I bet you any money those extremists would say that you have no or little faith, just as you are saying to me! The whole freaking point that you all are having trouble grasping is you are crossing the line by pushing your religous beliefs on me. If you interpret the bible one way and I interpret it another. Who is right? You? Don't you think that is a heavily biased answer?

As for the abortion thing, again you have no business telling others what to do. If you and all your diehard anti abortion friends are so into saving lives. Why aren't every one of you out stopping people from commiting murders, saving people in fires etc etc? Why aren't you over at the front lines in Iraq telling everyone they need to stop killing each other? Why aren't you going to some of these third world countries where women are mutilated because they are a women? You people are all so righteous yet I guarantee your not out there doing something to put a stop to death. What is it okay for some people to die not others? Oh but that helpless fetus needs to be saved, well along your lines of thinking, If god meant for it to be saved he would make sure it was saved. If he meant for it to die, it would die. Haven't you ever heard of miracles? They happen when god defy's the laws of physics and saves people lives because it's not thier time yet. You all question my faith but atleast I know god steps in when somethings not going as he planned!

[DJDIGGLER]

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Lets go with your argument, just for fun - Life begins at conception!

Birth control would have to be outlawed. Most birth control, does not make it impossible for conception to occur but if conception does occur the uterus is made inhospitable for it's survival. What you pro-lifers would call murder. So we couldn't be condoning murder. So even women that simply just wanted to regulate their menstral cycle, couldn't because of the potential negligence. Ohh, how are we going to determine miscarriages? Was it negligence in the womans actions that caused it. How do we investigate that.

In-vetro fertilization would be considered mass murder in the attempts to salvage a life that already existed.

This sounds funny because your position is ridiculous. Abortion is not murder, it is not killing and is not even close.

Klash you are the man!!

[PL456]

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klash, you sound like a smart guy...I'll tackle this one...

birth control pills do not allow the womans body to release an egg....no egg, no conception.
condoms do not allow sperm to enter the uterus..no sperm, no conception.
spermicide kills sperm...no sperm, no conception.
the diaphragm does not allow sperm into the uterus...no sperm, no conception.
IUD's are virtually non-existent anymore as they caused severe uterine damage.
Progesterone implants do not allow egg release..no egg, no conception.
You guys never answered my question to you as to where YOU believe life begins..I say at conception.

Concerning miscarriages, if there is violence--say a boyfriend beats up his girlfriend, causing a miscarriage..yes, in most states he can be charged with a crime. Similarly, if a woman uses illicit drugs or does certain things whereby she knowlingly places her baby in jeopardy and miscarries..and that miscarriage can be tied to her behavior...she can be charged.

All of this, of course, is predicated on the fact that sex is for married people. Sex before marriage is wrong. Once again, sin begets sin. Premarital sex (sin), pregnancy, "Oh no, what do I do...kill the baby (sin)---after all it's just an ejaculation with a name".

Read James..lust begets sin, and sin, when it is fully developed, begets death.

ever see a couple-week old ultrasound with a little heartbeat in there? It'll move you over towards the pro-LIFE side, folks.

Your arguments, guys, are falling apart.

[PL456]

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by the way, I just checked google news..south dakota's bill could become law by July 1st!! The house and senate have already passed it. Also, seven other states are seeking to bring similar laws. the law is expected to go to the supreme court, where the issue will boil down to, as we are discussing here, when life begins.

[gymdiva]

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IUD's are virtually non-existent anymore as they caused severe uterine damage.

not true...it's just not very popular...designs have come a long way in this and more and more women are using them...also a good alternative if hormones are a concern since most contain no hormones unlike the pill, ring, patch, etc...

[supasaiyan99]

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I think everyone made good points! I think most people don't really get the point of DJDIGGLER or GYMDIVA. The point is, you don't have the right to force someone to do or not do what they want with their own body! End of discussion.

Bythe way I am pro-life! My best friend from high school was supposed to be aborted, but he survived. I beleive everyone deserves a chance to live, but I will not hate and persecute another person because they chose to abort.

[DJDIGGLER]

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I think everyone made good points! I think most people don't really get the point of DJDIGGLER or GYMDIVA. The point is, you don't have the right to force someone to do or not do what they want with their own body! End of discussion.

Bythe way I am pro-life! My best friend from high school was supposed to be aborted, but he survived. I beleive everyone deserves a chance to live, but I will not hate and persecute another person because they chose to abort.

Thank you supasaiyan! Finally someone understands!

[kite]

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I think everyone made good points! I think most people don't really get the point of DJDIGGLER or GYMDIVA. The point is, you don't have the right to force someone to do or not do what they want with their own body! End of discussion.

Bythe way I am pro-life! My best friend from high school was supposed to be aborted, but he survived. I beleive everyone deserves a chance to live, but I will not hate and persecute another person because they chose to abort.

I got what they were saying, my argument is that it isn't just their bodies, it's also the body of another human being. I do not hate or persecute people, that isn't my job, my job is to support legislature that defends life.

[Klash]

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klash, you sound like a smart guy...I'll tackle this one...

birth control pills do not allow the womans body to release an egg....no egg, no conception.
condoms do not allow sperm to enter the uterus..no sperm, no conception.
spermicide kills sperm...no sperm, no conception.
the diaphragm does not allow sperm into the uterus...no sperm, no conception.
IUD's are virtually non-existent anymore as they caused severe uterine damage.
Progesterone implants do not allow egg release..no egg, no conception.
You guys never answered my question to you as to where YOU believe life begins..I say at conception.

Progesterone and birth control pills are to prevent ovulations but that doesn't always happen - that's why pregnancy isn't 100% preventable while on these products. When ovulation does occur the next step these hormones do to prevent pregnancy is make the uterus inhospitable for the egg - thus murdering it!

Oh yeah...I found this link for you. Some doctors refuse to prescribe the pill because of this.

Concerning miscarriages, if there is violence--say a boyfriend beats up his girlfriend, causing a miscarriage..yes, in most states he can be charged with a crime. Similarly, if a woman uses illicit drugs or does certain things whereby she knowlingly places her baby in jeopardy and miscarries..and that miscarriage can be tied to her behavior...she can be charged.

So a woman, in your world, could sue for wrongful death if she had a miscarriage after the misquito truck drove by, or could be charged with obstruction if she miscarried and flushed it down the toilet? It's either murder or its not. You don't say "oh well" when someone is murdered, you don't treat it like a fetus. This is the world your words build!

missed one. In-vitro fertilization? Is that murder?

Your arguments, guys, are falling apart.

Keep the faith, it helps support delusions.