Your Faith (or lack of) and Political Party!!!!

[mick-G]

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As Popeye would say "I are what I are." Now where the hell is SweetPea?

[Skarhead]

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Christian
Republican by conviction.

I can not and will not vote for someone who supports gay marriage or abortion. That's why I say by conviction. I don't like everything Bush does, but I have to stand judgement for my choices and I will not vote for someone because of gas prices. I vote for who I believe has the same beliefs as me. That's hard, because I do like the Dem's take on the environment better than the Repub's. But then again, the environment, in my opinion, is less of a moral issue than abortion and support of gay marriage. Just for the record, I have no issue with gay people whatsoever. I try to do my best to treat people as people and not judge, but when the choices of people conflict with my belief I will disagree with their choices. I for one am in no position to judge another person, but when the choices of one party weaken the moral fiber of humanity then I will go with the other party. I personally belive that gay marriage spits in the face of God (and nature) and that abortion teaches irresponsibility. In my belief life is a gift from God, no matter how it comes to be. And that child has done absolutly nothing to deserve destruction. As far as gay union it just makes no sense. Even if one has no religion the very fact that two same sex humans can not produce a natural offspring would tell you that it's not a natural union. Survival of a species depends on that species ability to do three things: obtain food, obtain shelter and reproduce. Since same sex humans can not reproduce, it's not a 'natural' union. Now, some will argue about opposite sex marriages who suffer from the inability to have children. That's not the same thing. A man or woman who lacks the ability to have a child is totally different than two men or two women. What do you think would happen to lions if they all turned gay? They would cease to exist.

Im not hating on your or your religion bro but thats why I dont belive in it.. IMO it's closed minded and a book is telling you NOT to like people just because... Not a good thing these days..

[T-Man007]

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A few random things...

Not everyone believes in your god so how can you hold them accountable for your beliefs?

So what if they are gay, just like you said they are not bothering you. What's the difference. If they want to be gay, let them. Doesn't affect me any, nor does it you.

I never said they should be held to my beliefs, I said I will support the person who believes in what I do. If a law passes giving them the right o be married I will accept that. The Bible says very clearly to respect the laws of government. I will accept the law, I just wont support it. And it does effect me, it says to my children that it's ok, when our belief clearly states it's not. That's how it effects me.

[T-Man007]

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t-man what about the straight couples that choose not to have kids? they are not adding to our population either. theres enough straight men and women to promise our survival..what your saying makes sense logically but humans have emotions that cant be defined by logic - such as love.. if two men, or two women love eachother imo they should be able to be married just not in a church. i see what your saying though.

Point taken brotha! Emotion is a powerful thing, however, studies have proven that a very high percentage of homosexuality starts from some form of disfuctional childhood. Studies have proven that only a very very low number of homosexuals came from structured loving families. So, is it emotion, or is it brought on by something else? I know for a fact it's not a gene, scientists have proven ther is no gay gene. Like I said, I don't have anything against the person, just disagree with the action.

[T-Man007]

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Im not hating on your or your religion bro but thats why I dont belive in it.. IMO it's closed minded and a book is telling you NOT to like people just because... Not a good thing these days..

No brother, you didn't read my post correctly. I do not judge anyone or anyones actions. I do not like anyone any less because they are gay. Some Christians do, and it's WRONG! Those who have the conviction to be 'authentic' Christians will do their best to love all of mankind, despite our differences. Now, one also has to be careful around enemies. For instance, in the Middle East where you can be killed for being a Christian, it's not a good idea to go around announcing your beliefs. That's suicide. I also think that it's not a Christians place to tell someone how to live, however it is our place to hold another Christian accountable. Authentic Christians don't judge because one, they know they are sinners too, and two, the lost can't be held accountable to the bveliefs of Christianity. I for one do not believe it's my right to force my religion on anyone. It's my obligation to share it with you and do my best to live by my convictions. However, it's the individuals choice, not mine, as to there beliefs. With that said, the Bible teaches very clearly that I'm am 100% responsible for teaching my child the Bible. If he chooses not to accept it, that's his choice, but I will not teach him a conradiction of what I believe. I will not teach him it's ok to be gay even though the Bible says it's not.

Please don't misunderstand me, I vote the way I vote from my beliefs just like the pro-lifer votes the way they do from belief. I don't have any dislike for the pro-lifer, we just see things differently and I respect their differences. I know there are a lot of so called Christians who do nothing but hate, but believe me brothers, those people are in the wrong. The Bible teaches love, respect and forgiveness, never does it teach hate. And it's sad that many so called Christians get out in the public and use anger and hatred to get their message across. It's just not the way we are supposed to act.

Please don't think of me as a hater of anyone. I respect peoples differences, I just don't think it's fair that I should have to teach that homosexuality is ok when it's not allowed for God to be taught. It's a double standard. Many of the people who preach freedom of speech are only talking about the freedom to speek about what they want to hear. Many of the so called 'open minded' groups refuse to listen to religion and some even want religion off the tv and radio. How is that open minded? Simple, it's not. A truely open mind will take ALL things into consideration and allow for ALL people to have the right to speek and listen to what they want. Yet, most 'openminded' groups refuse religion. It's a total contradiction to the term 'open minded'. If at any point you close your mind to ANY topic, you are no longer open minded. Period.

[TestRip7]

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[Skarhead]

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No brother, you didn't read my post correctly. I do not judge anyone or anyones actions. I do not like anyone any less because they are gay. Some Christians do, and it's WRONG! Those who have the conviction to be 'authentic' Christians will do their best to love all of mankind, despite our differences. Now, one also has to be careful around enemies. For instance, in the Middle East where you can be killed for being a Christian, it's not a good idea to go around announcing your beliefs. That's suicide. I also think that it's not a Christians place to tell someone how to live, however it is our place to hold another Christian accountable. Authentic Christians don't judge because one, they know they are sinners too, and two, the lost can't be held accountable to the bveliefs of Christianity. I for one do not believe it's my right to force my religion on anyone. It's my obligation to share it with you and do my best to live by my convictions. However, it's the individuals choice, not mine, as to there beliefs. With that said, the Bible teaches very clearly that I'm am 100% responsible for teaching my child the Bible. If he chooses not to accept it, that's his choice, but I will not teach him a conradiction of what I believe. I will not teach him it's ok to be gay even though the Bible says it's not.

Please don't misunderstand me, I vote the way I vote from my beliefs just like the pro-lifer votes the way they do from belief. I don't have any dislike for the pro-lifer, we just see things differently and I respect their differences. I know there are a lot of so called Christians who do nothing but hate, but believe me brothers, those people are in the wrong. The Bible teaches love, respect and forgiveness, never does it teach hate. And it's sad that many so called Christians get out in the public and use anger and hatred to get their message across. It's just not the way we are supposed to act.

Please don't think of me as a hater of anyone. I respect peoples differences, I just don't think it's fair that I should have to teach that homosexuality is ok when it's not allowed for God to be taught. It's a double standard. Many of the people who preach freedom of speech are only talking about the freedom to speek about what they want to hear. Many of the so called 'open minded' groups refuse to listen to religion and some even want religion off the tv and radio. How is that open minded? Simple, it's not. A truely open mind will take ALL things into consideration and allow for ALL people to have the right to speek and listen to what they want. Yet, most 'openminded' groups refuse religion. It's a total contradiction to the term 'open minded'. If at any point you close your mind to ANY topic, you are no longer open minded. Period.

I see what you're saying. I dont thinjk you're one of those Christians who force beliefs either. You have a good faith I think. it's a catch 22 what you have. the only thing that we're disagreeing on is that I think it should be up to YOU to accept homosexuality not b/c the bible said so, that is all.

[T-Man007]

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I see what you're saying. I dont thinjk you're one of those Christians who force beliefs either. You have a good faith I think. it's a catch 22 what you have. the only thing that we're disagreeing on is that I think it should be up to YOU to accept homosexuality not b/c the bible said so, that is all.

I see your point bro and respect your view on it.

[jazzjackrabbit]

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I'm catholic.
I'm no very political but I trust some values (freedom of undertake business but respect for salaries and the environnement).

T-amn, do you thing it's a good thing a teen could not abort after a rap or an accident? In my country we don't leave a kid at birth (it's not human for a mother to leave her baby) so the governement give a lot of help/money to help raise a kid alone. BUT we prefer not having a kid than raising one who was not wanted. How do you think a kid not wanted grow psychologically? Love is not the same and a kid need all the love a mother can give.
And about gay marriage. I'm against it. Two adults the same sex can NOT be a family. BUT normal or not these guys or women have the right to live together. Thus some kind of union is necessary to make a juridical frame around them. It's necessary for them to be equal to us in the field of paying tax and inherite exemple...

[T-Man007]

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I'm catholic.
I'm no very political but I trust some values (freedom of undertake business but respect for salaries and the environnement).

T-amn, do you thing it's a good thing a teen could not abort after a rap or an accident? In my country we don't leave a kid at birth (it's not human for a mother to leave her baby) so the governement give a lot of help/money to help raise a kid alone. BUT we prefer not having a kid than raising one who was not wanted. How do you think a kid not wanted grow psychologically? Love is not the same and a kid need all the love a mother can give.
And about gay marriage. I'm against it. Two adults the same sex can NOT be a family. BUT normal or not these guys or women have the right to live together. Thus some kind of union is necessary to make a juridical frame around them. It's necessary for them to be equal to us in the field of paying tax and inherite exemple...

Well, as to the teen pregnancy thing it's about life, not death, with me. If she doesn't want the child, then give it up for adoption. There are litterally thousands of kids in homes where the parents want the kids and the kids don't get the love they need. There are also thousands of couples who want children and can't have them and they would adopt. But I'll take this to an even more personal level. If my wife was raped and became pregnant, there would be no abortion. She and I both feel this way. If the thought of raising that child would be to tough on us, which I imagine it would, we would put it up for adoption. Our belief is that child did nothing wrong, however, we would not atempt to raise a child that we felt we would have any regretful feelings for. The Bible teaches that children are gifst from God. So, for us, adoption is the destruction of a gift from God. And that's just not an option for us.

[Klash]

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Christian
Republican by conviction.

I can not and will not vote for someone who supports gay marriage or abortion... I vote for who I believe has the same beliefs as me. That's hard, because I do like the Dem's take on the environment better than the Repub's. But then again, the environment, in my opinion, is less of a moral issue than abortion and support of gay marriage. Just for the record, I have no issue with gay people whatsoever. I try to do my best to treat people as people and not judge, but when the choices of people conflict with my belief I will disagree with their choices. I for one am in no position to judge another person, but when the choices of one party weaken the moral fiber of humanity then I will go with the other party. I personally belive that gay marriage spits in the face of God (and nature) and that abortion teaches irresponsibility. In my belief life is a gift from God, no matter how it comes to be. And that child has done absolutly nothing to deserve destruction. As far as gay union it just makes no sense. Even if one has no religion the very fact that two same sex humans can not produce a natural offspring would tell you that it's not a natural union. Survival of a species depends on that species ability to do three things: obtain food, obtain shelter and reproduce. Since same sex humans can not reproduce, it's not a 'natural' union. Now, some will argue about opposite sex marriages who suffer from the inability to have children. That's not the same thing. A man or woman who lacks the ability to have a child is totally different than two men or two women. What do you think would happen to lions if they all turned gay? They would cease to exist.

O.K., so a man and woman lack the ability to have a child - they should not be restrained from marriage? What if the woman use to be a man (or the man use to be a woman) then should they be free marry? Or should we judge (because that is what you are doing) a persons sex by more than genitalia, i.e. their bio-chemical make up? Who is going to give us those parameters? Politicians?

I never said they should be held to my beliefs, I said I will support the person who believes in what I do. If a law passes giving them the right o be married I will accept that. The Bible says very clearly to respect the laws of government. I will accept the law, I just wont support it. And it does effect me, it says to my children that it's ok, when our belief clearly states it's not. That's how it effects me.

If you support politicians that are willing to enforce your morality - you desire to hold people to your beliefs. Ahh.. This explains alot if homosexuals are allowed to marry - that tells your children homosexual sex is o.k. If government schools don't lead the day with prayer - that tells your children prayer is not o.k. I understand why you wish to enforce your morality, now. To tell your children what is acceptable and what is not.

... I do not judge anyone or anyones actions... I also think that it's not a Christians place to tell someone how to live, however it is our place to hold another Christian accountable. Authentic Christians don't judge because one, they know they are sinners too, and two, the lost can't be held accountable to the bveliefs of Christianity. I for one do not believe it's my right to force my religion on anyone.

If you don't think it is a christians place to tell someone how to live - then why do you support forcing (government law) someone to live by your morality?

If at any point you close your mind to ANY topic, you are no longer open minded. Period.

Are you still open to the fact that the Bible is wrong?

[T-Man007]

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O.K., so a man and woman lack the ability to have a child - they should not be restrained from marriage? What if the woman use to be a man (or the man use to be a woman) then should they be free marry? Or should we judge (because that is what you are doing) a persons sex by more than genitalia, i.e. their bio-chemical make up? Who is going to give us those parameters? Politicians?




If you support politicians that are willing to enforce your morality - you desire to hold people to your beliefs. Ahh.. This explains alot if homosexuals are allowed to marry - that tells your children homosexual sex is o.k. If government schools don't lead the day with prayer - that tells your children prayer is not o.k. I understand why you wish to enforce your morality, now. To tell your children what is acceptable and what is not.





If you don't think it is a christians place to tell someone how to live - then why do you support forcing (government law) someone to live by your morality?



Are you still open to the fact that the Bible is wrong?

No, I do not support the fact that the Bible is wrong just like I do not support the fact that 2+2=3.

I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you Klash, no matter what I say you twist it around in attempt to prove your point. You have your beliefs and I have mine. You think yours are right and so do I. You will NEVER convince me and I will never convince you. I don't why you even come around here, except to start political and religious battles with the members. That seems to be your only contribution to this site, challenging those who don't agree with you. I have no more to say.

[daved150]

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NOT TO STIR THE POT, BUT I'VE SEEN YOU TWO GO AROUND BEFORE, I THINK. IT IS PRETTY ENTERTAINING, AND USAULLY THOUGHT PROVOKING....T-MAN, I AGREE WITH ALOT OF YOUR OPINIONS, AND VIEW'S, MOST THE TIME. BUT, I DO ENJOY READING OTHERS WHOSE THOUGHT'S DIFFER, AND THEY ARE COMMITTED TO THOSE THOUGHT'S.

[mick-G]

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As Popeye would say "I are what I are." Now where the hell is SweetPea?

I luv quoting myself, lol!

[Klash]

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No, I do not support the fact that the Bible is wrong just like I do not support the fact that 2+2=3.

I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you Klash, no matter what I say you twist it around in attempt to prove your point. You have your beliefs and I have mine. You think yours are right and so do I. You will NEVER convince me and I will never convince you. I don't why you even come around here, except to start political and religious battles with the members. That seems to be your only contribution to this site, challenging those who don't agree with you. I have no more to say.

T-man, don't take it personally - I'm just a very curious person and love to refine my own philosphical views through the practice of trading thoughts with others. That strategy works best with those that I don't agree with and besides you knew I would challenge your editorial - so don't act all innocent.