Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

[T-Man007]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

And yet another contradiction:

"I, like you have super dry skin, so much so that it will be dry to the point it hurts. If I don't moisturize it, it will produce a ton of oil."

Umm, how is it physically possible for you to produce "a ton of oil" if you are predisposed to a dry skin complex? Huh? You just wrote "I, like you have super dry skin", so how is it possible for someone who produces so little oil goign to produce "a ton of oil" all of a sudden?

The body doesn't work that way. The very fact you have to put lotion on twice a day is proof that you have dry skin, not high oil producing skin. The very fact that lotions that contain mineral oil and petroleum jelly lubricate the skin, not moisturize it, had eluded you. Now you have become aware of it. But don't take my word for it, go online and find one scientific study that states the human body can absord the molecular structure mineral oil or petroleum jelly.

You made a comment that the human skin can absorb things. Why don't you just rub some Enanthate on your skin? If the skin can absorb just about anything, surely we could just rub are gear on our body and the skin would absorm it, right? Wrong! The skin, although porous, has limited size of molecule it can absorb. Scientific fact. If you don't agree with that, please, go find a scientific study that states the skin can absorb anything you put on it.

Sorry bro, but you are far from right on this one.

Here's some online info for you:

How a Lotion / Cream Works
Your skin is made up of multiple layers. The one that lotions interact with is the very top layer, the epidermis. The epidermis is very thin, about as thick as a piece of paper. But it is not a very permeable layer - i.e. things don't very easily go through it. The entire purpose for that layer of your skin is to keep foreign objects out.

Skin has a very small degree of permeability from the outside. Water can soak into it, for example. But most of the nutrients that reach skin do so from the inside - through the blood vessels that are in the dermis layer of the skin. So the most important way to get vitamins to your skin is to *eat* them and get them into your blood. Adding anything through a lotion is pretty meaningless.

Be sure to clean / wash your skin before putting on a lotion. You don't want to have a lotion trapping oils and dirts in your pores, causing them to fester in there. Also, be sure to use a lotion in a reasonable amount of time. Lotion is a mixture of chemicals (even if they're natural chemicals) and pretty much all lotions break down over time.

[T-Man007]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

These are the ingredients in LubridermŽ Daily Moisture Lotion:

"Ingredients

FRESH SCENT: Water, Mineral Oil, Petrolatum, Sorbitol Solution, Stearic Acid, Lanolin, Lanolin Alcohol, Cetyl Alcohol, Glyceryl Stearate/PEG-100 Stearate, Triethanolamine, Dimethicone, Propylene Glycol, Microcrystalline Wax, Tri (PPG-3 Myristyl Ether) Citrate, Disodium EDTA, Methylparaben, Ethylparaben, Propylparaben, Fragrance, Xanthan Gum, Butylparaben, and Methyldibromo Glutaronitrile."


Here is what Mineral oil and Petrolarum really do:

"Occlusive Ingredients

Occlusive ingredients are most effective when applied to slightly damp skin. Ingredients that fall under this category include petrolatum, mineral oil, vegetable oils, lanolin, dimethicone, and cyclomethicone. Lanolin, one of the more effective occlusive ingredients in the list is not commonly used due to its odor and expense. Some people have allergic responses to lanolin, though more recently, forms of ultra-purified lanolin have been introduced that minimizes this problem. Petrolatum and mineral oil are clear, odorless oils derived from petroleum and purified. These are commonly used in moisturizers due to their effectiveness and low incidence of irritation. Petrolatum and mineral oil do not absorb into the skin because the molecules are too large to penetrate the skin. Therefore they stay on the surface and provide a barrier between the skin and the air.

Recently, due to rampant rumors, mineral oil and petrolatum have been given a bad reputation. However, there are many reasons that these ingredients should not be overlooked in a cosmetic product. Some people do not like the fact that petrolatum and mineral oil are derived from petroleum. Let us not forget that petroleum is a natural product taken from within the earth. Petroleum is used widely in industrial fields, but this is because of its significant, natural lubricating properties. These same properties are also what makes it such a useful moisturizer in cosmetics. It coats well, does not break down, and does not absorb into the skin. Its ability to sit on the skin for hours without absorption provides a long-lasting protective coat that is superior to other plant or animal-derived oils. It is this protective-coat that makes petrolatum such an effective moisturizer. Also, mineral oil and petrolatum do not harbor or feed bacteria. They do not decompose or rot quickly, so moisturizers that use these ingredients require fewer preservatives. Mineral oil and petrolatum do not irritate the skin - making it an ideal moisturizer for sensitive or delicate skin. There is a singificantly greater chance of experiencing an allergic reaction or irritation with plant-based oils, and plant oil can often contain sturated fats that can solidify and clog pores. Mineral oil does not solidify. Despite the rumors you may have heard, mineral oil does not cause breakouts. If a breakout does occur, it is most likely due to another ingredient contained in the formulation - but due to the large amount of misinformation, it is often blamed on mineral oil."

As you can see, they do not absorb into the skin. This is all I've been saying since the begining, the skin does not absorb these things. the fact that you coat your skin with somethign does not make it any more moist, it just lubricates it.

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

[QUOTE=T-Man007][QUOTE=DJDIGGLER][B]Hot showers do open your pores. That's why they tell you to use hot water to shave, and cold shower to wash your face after to close the pores.

WTF? That makes no sense what so ever. First, hot water will dull your razor faster. You already admit that hot showers open the pores and then you say to take cold showers to close your pores. How the heck are you supposed to clean closed pores? I'm sorry, but that's the most ass backwards thing I've ever heard. Take a cold shower after you shave. how does shaving clean the pores? How does hot water on your razor clean the pores? How does taking a cold shower after you shave clean the pores? Good God, did you even read that before you put out there. And you say you are helping people.

I don't know who "they" are in your story but you need to check their credentials. LOL

Damn everytime I post you always turn everything I say around in put words in my f'ing mouth. Read the damn post! IT SAYS "Hot showers do open your pores. That's why they tell you to use hot water to shave, and cold shower to wash your face after to close the pores." So in that instance I was not talking about skin and how to clean and moistorize it. If you read I was giving an example which happened to be about shaving. Yes hot water opens your pores to make shaving easier. Then yes when you are done shaving your supposed to throw or wash your face with cold water to close the pores. Kind of along the same lines as aftershave. So where in that am I assbackwards?

Here's a few links from WebMD about skin and oil production that I guarantee knows more than you do! These are multiple doctors that run that site so I highly doubt you know anyone that has more combined knowledge in the medical field than them.

This one explains exactly what I said IF YOU READ IT CORRECTLY! Usually kids have more acne than adults because their skin produces more oil. As you age your skin produces less oil naturally..........Click and read

http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa51824.asp

http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa51827.asp

http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa51837.asp

All I have to say is CHECK AND MATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

Yes, I debate anyone who gives bad advice, that's my role here.
Your girl is wrong bro! My aunt-in-law is a Dematologist. What field of medicine is your girl in? Is she an actual skin doctor, or is she a registered nurse? I can tell from your post she is not a Dermatologist because people who have dry skin have it because of a lack of oil production. You wrote that people with dry skin produce oil to compensate for it and that is incorrect. Why the hell do you think they have dry skin? Because they don't produce enough oil. I'm guessing you have no formal training in atanomy. Like I said, I took a class where we learned all about the effects of mineral oil and petroleum jelly (which are ingredients in many lotions) on the skin. Then I asked my aunt, the Dermatologist, and she confirmed it. The skin can not absorb mineral oil or petroleum jelly. These ingredients are found in many lotions on the market.

Oh and I didn't say people have dry skin because a lack of oil production. I said that people with dry skin produce MORE oil to counter the dry skin which in turn causes acne! AGAIN FREAKING READ WHAT I WRITE BEFORE YOU START SLAMMING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

What you want to use is Neutrogena Body Wash. It has salycylic acid in it, which cleans out your pores. I use it daily, along with a non-comedogenic lotion, and I have flawless skin on my torso... not a pimple in sight!

More proof of what I said TMANN! Look at that he uses NON COMEDOGENIC LOTION AND NOT A PIMPLE IN SIGHT!!!!!!

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

DJ is correct. I didn't believe it either until my wife, and later the clinique counter lady, explained it to me. It sounds gay as hell but you have to moisturize after you wash. Even the clinique 3 step system for men is: wash, scruffing lotion, then moisturize. Try it bro, the breakouts will come to a halt.

Gee, what a surprise. Someone else uses moisturizing lotion and it moisturized the skin. Like I said Moisturizing lotion works. Thanks for chiming in Blackfoot with actual results. Yet again proves what I posted was not wrong information!

[T-Man007]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

[QUOTE=DJDIGGLER][QUOTE=T-Man007]

[B]Hot showers do open your pores. That's why they tell you to use hot water to shave, and cold shower to wash your face after to close the pores.

Damn everytime I post you always turn everything I say around in put words in my f'ing mouth. Read the damn post! IT SAYS "Hot showers do open your pores. That's why they tell you to use hot water to shave, and cold shower to wash your face after to close the pores." So in that instance I was not talking about skin and how to clean and moistorize it. If you read I was giving an example which happened to be about shaving. Yes hot water opens your pores to make shaving easier. Then yes when you are done shaving your supposed to throw or wash your face with cold water to close the pores. Kind of along the same lines as aftershave. So where in that am I assbackwards?

I'm sorry usually I don't get pissed about your debates with me but now your just starting shit for the hell of it. Do some freaking research before telling people they are posting false information!

Here's a few links from WebMD about skin and oil production that I guarantee knows more than you do! These are multiple doctors that run that site so I highly doubt you know anyone that has more combined knowledge in the medical field than them.

This one explains exactly what I said IF YOU READ IT CORRECTLY! Usually kids have more acne than adults because their skin produces more oil. As you age your skin produces less oil naturally..........Click and read

http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa51824.asp

http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa51827.asp

http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa51837.asp

All I have to say is CHECK AND MATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not one link says the body produces more oil to copensate for dry skin. So, it looks like your checkmate was a little immature. LMAO!

[T-Man007]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

Oh and I didn't say people have dry skin because a lack of oil production. I said that people with dry skin produce MORE oil to counter the dry skin which in turn causes acne! AGAIN FREAKING READ WHAT I WRITE BEFORE YOU START SLAMMING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's contradictory. How can someone with dry skin produce more oil? If they could produce enough oil they wouldn't have dry skin. LOL

[T-Man007]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

More proof of what I said TMANN! Look at that he uses NON COMEDOGENIC LOTION AND NOT A PIMPLE IN SIGHT!!!!!!

Oh yea, the facial wash doesn't have anything to do with it. roflmao

[T-Man007]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

Gee, what a surprise. Someone else uses moisturizing lotion and it moisturized the skin. Like I said Moisturizing lotion works. Thanks for chiming in Blackfoot with actual results. Yet again proves what I posted was not wrong information!

It doesn't moisturize, it lubricates. LOL I guess you haven't read all the posts yet. Read further and let me know what you think then.

[LOCO]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

I use Lubriderm on my skin in the morning and night. Works wonders for me. You have to remember the main reason that acne forms is because your skin has a build up of oil. You may be asking how do I stop the oil from building up? Simple, first let me explain the reason your skin gets a build up of oil. Whenever your skin becomes overly dry your body will naturally produce oil to stop your skin from being too dry. The problem with this is your pores become clogged from this oil. So if you use something that is non comodegenic (doesn't clog pores) like Lubriderm atleast twice a day, you'll be keeping your skin moisturized enough so your body won't be producing oils.

not if u're genetically prone to oily skin.. like me... it's just fukin greasy no matter what..
pimples also come from the hormonal imbalance..

[lxorl]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

I use B5 Pantothenic acid.. and it works pretty well for me....

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

Wow now I get why there is a left wing of government and a right wing. If there is a cherry I'll say it's red and your going to argue that it's off pink. I now see that no matter what is said we are just not going to see eye to eye on this!

[Blackfoot]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

Ok, what you are talking about is cleaning the pores. Which is what I said, if you clean the pores you have a better chance of reducing it. However, some acne is the result of mineral defficits. This can not be resolved by adding lotion. DJ is saying that the human body produces oil to compensate for dry skin. If the body could do that on it's own nobody would have dry skin. It's a contradiction, therefore, its a false statement.

LOL (not at your post but at this thread in general). Easy bros. Daaayyyuumm. All I was saying was that DJ's right about moisturizing after you wash your face. It keeps breakouts at bay and works for me, my wife, and lots of others. The lady at the clinique counter did go into the clogged pour and oil thing but somehow I don't think that would be good enough for this debate. LOL We should redirect into the direction of the original question.

[Gooseneck]

Re: Is there anything that can help my skin get better ??

A couple powerhouse's arguing over skin moisturizing and what works best. I never thought I'd see the day...