upcoming vote on gay marriage

[PL456]

Just reminding all that many states have upcoming votes to amend their constitutions to ban gay marriage and to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Please vote for this.

Recently heard interesting sermon on marriage and the fact that its a covenant, rather than a "contract" as many of the pro-gay marriage people are calling it.
A covenant is a promise to fully give yourself to the other, a contract is simply a legal promise to fulfill an obligation which can be voided with alot of legal wrangling. Big difference. God made a covenant with man through His son Jesus Christ...he didnt make a contract with us. A true marriage should mirror the way God relates to His people. Two homosexuals bound by a legal contract--just to get freebies from the state and for insurance purposes or maybe even just for spite--issued by a liberal state or a cowboy mayor or judge who thumbs his nose at the people in his city or state is not what God intended marriage to be.
Now Im sure Im going to be assaulted by the likes of our canadian friend and the likes saying that even if 2 people are gay they should be allowed to marry. Im just saying right now that a gay marriage is not a Godly marriage. Also, there are many heterosexual marriages that are certainly not Godly, either. But, at least the heterosexual marriages have the foundation that homosexual marriages do not. A homosexual marriage is wrong from the start and can never be Godly.

Oh, yes, and in case youre wondering I am a part of the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY....oooohhhh!!

[kite]

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The bottom line is if we don't uphold basic traditional values we will fall. All we have to do is look at the world's history. Every great nation or culture that bent to liberalism and lost all sense of morality failed and failed miserably.

[PL456]

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so very true kite.

[Cipher]

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so very true kite.

I also agree. Liberals suck

Ciph

[kite]

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Did you guys see where Max Cleland did his little publicity stunt yesterday? He just made a complete ass of himself. They want to get away from the Swift Boat ads/controversy yet the Dems do this kind of idiocy and keep it at the forefront. Is it just me or does this not make any sense whatsoever?

[PL456]

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bump to remind everybody...

[mick-G]

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I have very liberal views, but sorry don't believe in gay marriage.

[angryoldman]

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So what do you do? Do you bury you head in the sand and ignore it? I mean, it's the year 2004. Gay people are here to stay. We either accept it, or never come out of your house and turn your TV set on. Anyone wants to quote the bible to me, I'll quote right back. The bible can be taken any way you see fit. You can find in the Bible that Martha Stewart was going to prison if you look hard enough. I usually stay away from this forum due to my beliefs and my bull headedness, but the issue of gay marriage is simple: You don't like it, don't watch. Don't judge anyone. "Who are you to judge when you have sinned yourself".

[Ryker77]

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angryoldman, I could use that same BS "Who are you to judge when you have sinned yourself" idiology to child molesters or rapist. So we should all just accept it, huh?

What I find funny is about three years from now. Just go down to the local court and watch some gay divorces. I can just see it now. Bob caught Jim sucking off Tom while Ed was tapping the rear so I now Bob wants a divorce and alimony. LOL poor judges!!!

I think the feds should just let the gays marry. But stop ALL aids/HIV programs. Let them kill themselves off. 70-75% of all US HIV population are gay. another 20% or IV druggies then only a few straight people get it.

[kite]

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That's where alot of people get confused. It isn't about judging the person. Sexual orientation doesn't define the person, so the person isn't rejected the act is. The act is disordered according to natural order and yes the Bible. Sure Scripture can be twisted around by fanatics who want to justify their stance on a given subject but in this case it's black and white. There's no twisting here. The idea of "if you don't like it don't watch" simply doesn't work. If you live by this logic, particularly on matters of morality, then where do you draw the line? You don't like crime associated with drug abuse don't watch the news. You don't like how politicians act, stay out of it and don't vote. You don't like spousal/child abuse, turn your head. It just doesn't work.

[angryoldman]

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angryoldman, I could use that same BS "Who are you to judge when you have sinned yourself" idiology to child molesters or rapist. So we should all just accept it, huh?

So you're comparing gay marriage to child molestation and rape? Wow, you're ideals are definately a lot different than mine.
Let me ask a question: What were the 10 commandments? Why did God give Moses the 10 commandments, and what was said of them?
Now, I ask, which one of the commandments condemns gay marriage? I know there's one about adultery. But I can't remember which one was gay marriage.

[angryoldman]

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but in this case it's black and white. There's no twisting here. The idea of "if you don't like it don't watch" simply doesn't work. If you live by this logic, particularly on matters of morality, then where do you draw the line?

But listen to yourself. In so many words, you're saying "Since I don't like this, I must thrust my beliefs and values upon you to make YOU not like it." Just because the belief of "If you don't like it don't watch" doesn't work for you, why must it work for everyone else? Again, I feel you're judging. I feel you're saying "I must judge these people because I believe it's immoral".
Hey look, I'm not gay. I'm a very proud engaged hetrosexual male. But I do have gay friends. And wether or not I morally agree with these people, it's not for me to judge. I am not the Lord. He is the only one qualified to judge. Yea, I may find it repulsive to see 2 guys kiss, but it's here. Either accept it, or move on. No one thought integration in schools would work, now look.

[angryoldman]

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You don't like spousal/child abuse, turn your head. It just doesn't work.

Again, you're trying to sell US flags with Pesos. Child abuse and murder and rape are a far cry from homosexual marriage. But if you're beliefs are that, I can't make you change.

[kite]

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No, it's not about thrusting my beliefs on anyone. Do you believe in absolutes? There are absolute rights and wrongs. Immorality, albeit inticing at times, is one of these wrongs. The act of homosexual intercourse is, like I said, against the natural order as well as Biblical. This isn't about my beliefs, it's how nature is set up.
Yes, child abuse, etc... are far more severe than homosexuality but I wasn't comparing the them with homosexuality. I was simply asking where do you draw the line of turning your head the other way? People have tried this excuse for a ton of things. Should hardcore porn be available on NBC? If you don't like it, turn the channel. This never works, it doesn't hold up.
I'm certainly not in a position to judge anyone, I've got my skeletons just like most folks, but I do know right from wrong. Like I said before, to condemn the act isn't condemning the person.

[angryoldman]

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The act of homosexual intercourse is, like I said, against the natural order as well as Biblical. This isn't about my beliefs, it's how nature is set up.

Since the Bible says that, I guess it's law. Hmmmm. OK. Well, let me share one of my all time favorite letters. Please, as a favor to me, read the letter in it's entirety. Thanks.

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.