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I'll second you on the seated db press, but as for the second one for me personally what really gets them growing is the lateral raises either to the front or side or some really heavy db shrugs with no lighter than 140's
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Yeah, if you want your delts to look like softballs you have to hit those lateral raises. I like doing drop sets. I start with teh 35's, then immediately drop to the 25's then to the 15's. They are burning like crazy after that. I alternate db's with cable because the cable gives you mroe resistance at teh bottom.
I used to have superhuman powers....until my therapist took them away.
I don't think you need a lot of direct shoulder work to make them grow. Because they are involved with so many movements involving the chest, back, traps, triceps, etc... If you're performing heavy compound movements (i.e. bench press, pull ups, rows, dips, etc...) you're shoulders should show. For me, I've found that concentrating on rotator cuff and stability movements for my delts have made my shoulders grow (injury free) without utilizing direct shoulder movements. My two cents.
I just wanted to see what everyone thinks are the top two mass builders for shoulders...
I personally was thinking seated db press, and seated barbell press.
Lets hear what eveyone else thinks.....
Those are what work best for me also. I recently had a shoulder problem where I could not do presses but was able continue with lateral movements and still lost some of my shoulder size. So presses for me .
There is no way to get HUGE delts without lateral raises. Neither chest nor back exercises work the lateral head. They only work the anterior and posterior heads. The lateral head does not assist in the extension or adduction of the humerous bone which is what chest and back exercises do. If you want softball looking delts you MUST do lateral raises. There's not one pro bber who doesn't do lateral movements. So, to assume you can get huge delts without them is not accurate. Unless you are doing some kind of crazy stuff when you do chest and back your lateral head should not be involved and therefore will not grow much at all.
I used to have superhuman powers....until my therapist took them away.
Lateral raises don`t do too much for me, did em consistantly for years... I changed to one excercise routine that I watched Charles Glass teach to Chris Cook and my delts have really responded. Here it is.
DB presses, seated with back arched so it`s almost like a really high incline press.
Front raises, seated, both hands at the same time. Palms facing each other and thumbs up. At the top of the movement rotate your hands just a touch so that your hands are at about the same angle that they`d be when you grasp the steering wheel of a car propperly.
and my favorite
Set the incline bench on the highest or second highest setting then lean into it as though your going to sit backwards on it. Then as your leaning forward at a 10-15 degree angle do a standing upright row movement with dumbells. Keep your hands below your elbows and try not to use your back muscles to lift the weight, I go lighter with higher reps. It totally hits the "rear quarterpannel" of the delt, I get such a pump from these I love em.
Tmann is right again. You wont get boulder shoulders without laterals, it just wont happen.
heres what i do (wich isn't much)
machine hammer grip x 10-8-6-4-2-2-10
Lateral raises- 15-10-6-6-4-4-4
Rear db flyes 4x10
On chest day i superset plate raises (45llb plate x4 to fail) with my cable x-overs and on back day i superset barbell shrugs with cable rear flyes usually 3-4 x 10 -15 (medium range weight)
When i go onto my heavy compound workouts i hardly ever do any shoulder work except for lateral work. They're usually to fatigued to do much anyways.
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