Using Thyroid Hormone

[BABY1]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

Of course people are- They have been posting it on all our boards for long long time. There are no studies that exist to demonstrate that thyroid shuts down. That is hearsay and hysteria- AAS is no more safer. These compounds that we discuss across the forums can be used safely if done in moderate doses and take time off from using them. With respect, are you also an expert in AAS and Thyroid use? just curious, I really dont know

Listen I think that everyone needs to relax here, and I have NEVER claimed to be an expert in either. I was just stating my opinion and I don't appreciate the sarcasm here. Also, I DO know the importance of those organs and I don't need to be an MD to know this .

[firstenrgy]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

LETS POST FACTS PLAY NICE AND NO BACK AND FORTH HATE STUFF.LETS JUST DO WHAT WE DO AND HAVE GOOD OLE OPINION POSTS BUT LETS NOT JUMP ON THE HATE OR THIS OR THAT BANDWAGON.KEEP THIS GOING BUT PLAY NICE,THANK YOU

This is what I was trying to do explaining why there is a vast difference in doseages because EVERYONE is different.
I guess we could go with the "I've trained people" theory and "go by how you feel" theory.
Come to think of it science might not make sense.

[FUZO]

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LETS POST FACTS PLAY NICE AND NO BACK AND FORTH HATE STUFF.LETS JUST DO WHAT WE DO AND HAVE GOOD OLE OPINION POSTS BUT LETS NOT JUMP ON THE HATE OR THIS OR THAT BANDWAGON.KEEP THIS GOING BUT PLAY NICE,THANK YOU

[ketsugo]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

Strength (mcg) Color additive(s)

25mcg FD&C Yellow No. 6 Aluminum Lake
50mcg None
75mcg FD&C Red No. 40 Aluminum Lake, FD&C Blue No. 2 Aluminum Lake
88mcg FD&C Blue No. 1 Aluminum Lake, FD&C Yellow No. 6 Aluminum Lake, D&C Yellow No. 10 Aluminum Lake
100mcg D&C Yellow No. 10 Aluminum Lake, FD&C Yellow No. 6 Aluminum Lake
112mcg D&C Red No. 27 & 30 Aluminum Lake
125mcg FD&C Yellow No. 6 Aluminum Lake, FD&C Red No. 40 Aluminum Lake,
FD&C Blue No. 1 Aluminum Lake
137mcg FD&C Blue No. 1 Aluminum Lake
150mcg FD&C Blue No. 2 Aluminum Lake
175mcg FD&C Blue No. 1 Aluminum Lake, D&C Red No. 27 & 30 Aluminum Lake
200mcg FD&C Red No. 40 Aluminum Lake
300mcg D&C Yellow No. 10 Aluminum Lake, FD&C Yellow No. 6 Aluminum Lake, FD&C Blue No. 1 Aluminum Lake

Why are there so many strengths of t4 levothyroxine?
Because some, not all have problems converting t4 to t3.

To my point... let say you have normal thyroid funtion and I am and evil villian and I fry your thyroid and you will need to be on t4 for life. What is the right amount? As you can see, this could be from 25mcgs to 300mcgs. The only way you could know is to run a TSH lab test to determine if your body is asking for more or less.
The half life of t4 is 7-9 days (depending on when injested with/without food)You will not see full results for approximatly two weeks AND when discontinuing, it won't clear your system for the same.
This si a subject I have probably seen the most MISinformation on. Not to say what was posted here and in recent posts are incorrect but there is a lot to be considered.

NOW THIS ALSO BY THE WAY IS COPY AND PASTE- WHO MENTIONED ALL THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THYROID??? ONLY YOU- THEREFORE IT IS YOU THAT MAKES THIS CONFUSING. WE GAVE EXACT AMOUNTS TO START FROM 25MCGS- SO WHY IN GODS NAME WOULD ANYONE GO OUT AND GET 300MCGS. THATS JUST PLAIN ASININE. YOU GO BY HOW YOU FEEL- AND YOU RAMP UP SLOWLY- IT HAS BEEN A COMMON PRACTICE BY BODYBUILDERS AND FITNESS ATHLETES FOR DECADES. NOBODY SHOULD BE USING 300MCG- NO ONE HERE HAS RECOMMENDED ANYWHERE NEAR THAT SO WHY ARE YOU PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH THAT WERE NEVER WRITTEN. THATS WHY I IGNORED THIS RIDICULOUS POST BECAUSE ITS A BUNCH OF EXTRANEOUS INFORMATION THAT HAS NO BEARINIG WHATSOEVER HERE. IT IRRELEVANT. I DO KNOW HOW ITS USED- AND YES WE ALL COPY AND PASTE ARTICLES FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE DUHHHH - YOU STICK TO THE AMOUNTS USED BETWEEN 25MCG- 150MCG FOR BRIEF PERIODS JUST AS WE ALL THAT HAVE ACTUALLY USED IT HERE HAVE DONE. IT IS ONLY YOU PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER DONE IT THAT TRY TO DISBARAGE THOSE OF US THAT HAVE AND SPREAD MISINFORMATION

[ketsugo]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

He is not going to listen. He is parroting something he heard from a board or a so called friend and repeating it here as gospel.
I wrote a short and clear post and he didn't want to clutter his mind with too many facts. THEN does a copy and paste (much knowledge needed there )
people process thyroid hormone in diffrent ways!!! giving people 11,22,333 ideas as cure alls is irresponsible, could lead to death (via heart arrythmias) and/or shutdown of your thyroid!

Parroting is what you do my friend, I have been training people for many years and myself - Your post was ridiculousIT WAS NOT CLEAR AND WENT TOTALLY OFF TRACK - who cares about how many different dosages thyroid comes in- that post had nothing intelligent to say. Its when people abuse the compouns we speak of that have problems. You have never used it or trained or advised anyone else? So how is it that you are such an expert? Sounds like that is what a parrot is. Ive trained for 40 years diligently, I do have an education in the area as well. Been training people for around 15 years and have been on many many forums besides this one. OF COURSE I COPY AND PASTE- to illustrate that Im not the only one that believes- What do you think you did??? AND WHO DID THIS? "giving people 11,22,333 ideas as cure alls is irresponsible"- i DONT SEE THAT ANYWHERE- SO YOU ARE NO T MAKING SENSE

[ketsugo]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

Don't know about that as the thyroid is a pretty important gland to the body.( You dont know that what? That the testes, the liver , the heart , the kidneys, the pancreas and pituitarty are important glands??? LOL or you dont know that people do steroids here maybe at high dosages or youve never read in the aas section that people stay on cycle and never come off??? )

Probably would be a good idea if people new beforehand what tehri thryroid numbers were.

Of course people are- They have been posting it on all our boards for long long time. There are no studies that exist to demonstrate that thyroid shuts down. That is hearsay and hysteria- AAS is no more safer. These compounds that we discuss across the forums can be used safely if done in moderate doses and take time off from using them. With respect, are you also an expert in AAS and Thyroid use? just curious, I really dont know

[ketsugo]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

I'm about to use t-3 again and do the exact same thing as I did before use 25 ED

There ya go. People that just hear things or live by hearsay knowledge shouldnt be giving advice. When you have lived it - through being a trainer or training oneself for a few decades its a different story

[FUZO]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

I'm about to use t-3 again and do the exact same thing as I did before use 25 ED

[firstenrgy]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

there are a lot of good thoughts and ideas here. I am a complete advocate of getting blood work done and having everything in check. In all the studies and everything that i have read there has been no cases of thyroid shutdown in a human from taking synthetic t3, unless SEVERE abuse was being used. With all normal amount the function returned with 2 weeks. T4 is not as cut and dry as t3 because of the transfer rate in everyones body. Just remember when you use any product start low listen to your body and be safe.

Agreed. Well written.

[jamescb77]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

there are a lot of good thoughts and ideas here. I am a complete advocate of getting blood work done and having everything in check. In all the studies and everything that i have read there has been no cases of thyroid shutdown in a human from taking synthetic t3, unless SEVERE abuse was being used. With all normal amount the function returned with 2 weeks. T4 is not as cut and dry as t3 because of the transfer rate in everyones body. Just remember when you use any product start low listen to your body and be safe.

[firstenrgy]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

Don't know about that as the thyroid is a pretty important gland to the body.
Probably would be a good idea if people new beforehand what tehri thryroid numbers were.

He is not going to listen. He is parroting something he heard from a board or a so called friend and repeating it here as gospel.
I wrote a short and clear post and he didn't want to clutter his mind with too many facts. THEN does a copy and paste (much knowledge needed there )
people process thyroid hormone in diffrent ways!!! giving people 11,22,333 ideas as cure alls is irresponsible, could lead to death (via heart arrythmias) and/or shutdown of your thyroid!

[LightWeightBaby]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

Am I the only one who likes running t3 Mallet's way. 7 day t3 cycle, Day 1-5 200mcg Day 6 100mcg Day 7 50mcg.

[BABY1]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

I We got people cycling aas nonstop- far moree dangerous than this

Don't know about that as the thyroid is a pretty important gland to the body.


Probably would be a good idea if people new beforehand what tehri thryroid numbers were.

[ketsugo]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

Research published in the May 2005 issue of the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism reported on a recent study that found that patients preferred thyroid treatment that included a combination of levothyroxine (T4) and T3, rather than the usual levothyroxine (T4 only) treatment, and that combination treatment was associated with •A decrease in body weight -- but not a decrease in serum TSH -- was correlated with increased satisfaction with study medication

[ketsugo]

Re: Using Thyroid Hormone

Dangers of T3
Thyroid Hormone Replacement Therapies:
Logical Analysis and Ethical Implications
by Dr. John C. Lowe

The endocrinology specialty has long opposed the use of products that contain T3. The basis of its opposition, so it claims, is the resulting brief peak blood level of T3. Members of the specialty glibly state that the peak level is in the "thyrotoxic range"[84,p.1225] and that this peak level causes heart palpitations that trouble patients. They further state that the peak level may adversely affect the heart. But, these members resound, by using Synthroid patients can avoid these problems.

The specialty’s claim that T3 causes these problems is a mere presumption; it is contradicted by the reports of researchers with extensive clinical experience with T3. Psychiatric researchers whose patients use T3 point out that it is generally well-tolerated.[35] The experience of my research group agrees with this observation. For some fifteen years, our treatment team has worked directly with hundreds of patients using combined T4/T3 products or T3 alone. Our observations during that time dispute the warning that palpitations are a problem for patients who use T3-containing products. Palpitations in these patients are exceedingly rare. When a patient has experienced palpitations, they have been minor and of little or no concern to the patient. The palpitations have also been of no clinical significance. It’s noteworthy that the researchers of the four studies, as well as those of three other studies comparing the effectiveness of T4 and T4/T3-replacement, didn’t report that their study patients were troubled by palpitations.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]

I can find no study that members of the specialty have conducted confirming its prediction of adverse effects from T3. Only last year, endocrinologists Kaplan, Sarne, and Schneider wrote: ". . . the possible long-term risks of elevated or fluctuating T3 levels have not been evaluated."[19,p.4541]

Systematic studies have not conclusively ruled out long-term adverse effects. But many patients have used T3 for many years without apparent adverse effects. We have, then, a positive anecdotal record and no long-term safety studies showing that T3 is harmful. Regardless, the specialty has warned of potential harm in a manner that has generated irrational fear of T3 among physicians. It’s common, for example, for patients who’ve asked their doctors to prescribe T3 to hear the reply, "If you take T3, you’re going to have a heart attack and die!"[48,p.10]

It goes without saying, of course, that caution is necessary with patients who have fragile cardiac conditions. This is especially true when such a patient is using a product containing T3, since T3 directly affects the myocardium.[66] But potential harm from T3 is not actual harm, and the endocrinology specialty has so blurred the distinction that most other physicians—and perhaps they themselves—don’t know the difference.