Help me with my 2nd cycle.

[spidey]

OK, Here's the thing. I already have 100 mL tren (100 mg/mL) and about 45 mL test prop (100 mg/mL). I also have Noladex, Arimidex and Clomid. I have already ordered 250 dbols and my source tells me they are on the way. I have always wanted to try dbol . I started HGH at 4 iu's ed some 5 weeks ago but have stopped for now due to gyno. Normally, I wouldn't try GH again as I know it causes gyno for me but I have some serious tendon problems that I am hoping GH will at least help with, if not cure. Tenatively, I have a source from which I can get proviron if I want it (NO, don't bother asking).

I am trying to design a good mass cycle from what I already have (and maybe proviron as an anti-e). Because of my tendon problems, I want to try the GH again at 2 iu's ed and maybe add in an estrogen blocker to prevent GH induced gyno.

Here are my questions: Is proviron as good an anti-e as Nolvadex for preventing gyno due to GH? Does proviron suppress the HPTA? If not, I could take proviron and GH after cycle during my recovery period to cut up a little while keeping myself in an anabolic state. If it does suppress, I would substitute Nolva at 20 mg ed instead. Nandi12 makes a convincing argument for not using Arimidex with GH.

I am thinking something like this:

weeks 1-6: dbol 25mg ed
tren 50 mg ed
proviron 50 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 7-12: tren 50 mg ed
test prop 50 mg ed
proviron 50 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 13-14: Clomid (100 mg ed week 13 then 50 mg ed week 14)
proviron 50 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 15-26: proviron 50 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

OR

weeks 1-6: dbol 25mg ed
tren 50 mg ed
Arimidex 1 mg eod (+ Nolvadex 20 mg ed?)
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 7-12: tren 50 mg ed
test prop 50 mg ed
proviron 50 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 13-14: Clomid (100 mg ed week 13 then 50 mg ed week 14)
Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 15-26: Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

I will eat a clean diet as much as possible with 300 g protein and ~3500 calories. I work out on a 4 day split: chest+triceps+calves, legs (including calves), shoulders+biceps+abdominals, back+abdominals+forearms, day off.

OK, suggestions? If you think there are problems with my proposed cycles, tell me what you think. What else would you suggest given what I have in terms of AS? Is running proviron or nolvadex for that long a problem?

-Spidey

[Metal Gear]

Week 1-12 Test prop 100mg ed
Week 1-5 dbol 35mg ed
Week 6-12 Fina 100mg ed

proviron 50mg ed with Nolvadex at 20mg ed for anti e
+ your gh

[bigjim33]

Originally posted by Metal Gear
Week 1-12 Test prop 100mg ed
Week 1-5 dbol 35mg ed
Week 6-12 Fina 100mg ed

proviron 50mg ed with Nolvadex at 20mg ed for anti e
+ your gh

i would only change one thing and that is to do the fina all 12 weeks with the prop as well.

[spidey]

OK, this is good. Remember this is only my second cycle and I've never tried dbol before. I'll try the dbol at 25 mg ed first and see how I react to it. I can always bump it up a little later if I feel the need.

My last cycle was

weeks 1-3: tren 50 mg ed
weeks 4-8: tren 50 mg ed + test prop 50 mg ed
weeks 9-12: test prop 50 mg ed + nolvadex 10 mg ed
weeks 13-14: Clomid therapy

I gained 27 lbs off that simple little cycle and would have kept every bit of it if I hadn't been forced out of the gym for 6 weeks with my shoulder/tendon problems. Even with the long layoff, I kept 21 lbs.

That worked so well last time I figured I would do something similar for this cycle but with some dbol added in and some extra estrogen protection (and the GH of course).

Can anyone answer my specific questions on proviron? Does it suppress the HPTA? As good as Nolvadex for anti-e? Problems with running it (or nolva) for 26 weeks?

-Spidey

[Drveejay11]

I wish I had that much gear to play around with

[Drveejay11]

Originally posted by spidey
Can anyone answer my specific questions on proviron? Does it suppress the HPTA? As good as Nolvadex for anti-e? Problems with running it (or nolva) for 26 weeks?

-Spidey

Q: Can anyone answer my specific questions on proviron?
A:I'll try

Q: Does it suppress the HPTA?
A: No (although some will disagree----you're wrong!)

Q:As good as Nolvadex for anti-e?
A: For some yes, others no. I think it's comparable.

Q:Problems with running it (or nolva) for 26 weeks?
A: Nolva-Probably NOT
Proviron-gettting risky over that period of time d/t it being a mild androgen

[trip]

spidey,

Congrats on your simple cycle success, very inspiring.

Gyno fro HGH? Never ever have heard of this. Not saying you are wrong, and it does logically seem possibly, just never heard of this happening.

Hope You Get It figured out.
Good Luck

[spidey]

Originally posted by trip
spidey,

Congrats on your simple cycle success, very inspiring.

Gyno fro HGH? Never ever have heard of this. Not saying you are wrong, and it does logically seem possibly, just never heard of this happening.

Hope You Get It figured out.
Good Luck

Yes, HGH can cause gyno in some men due to the upregulation of IGF1. I think it is fairly rare but I appear to be one of the unlucky few. I was fine until I took HGH at 4 iu's ed for about 5 weeks. I started developing gyno symptoms around week 4. It was all I was taking so that kind of narrows the field a little, LOL.

Now I have to postpone my cycle until it has all dissappeared (sigh).

-Spidey

[spidey]

OK all. Thanks for the advice and info. Here is what I think I'm going to do:

weeks 1-6: dbol 25mg ed
tren 50 mg ed
Arimidex 1 mg eod
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 7-12: tren 50 mg ed
test prop 50 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 13-14: Clomid (100 mg ed week 13 then 50 mg ed week 14)
Proviron 50 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 15-18: Proviron 50 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 19-26: Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

I will use the arimidex while I'm using the dbol to avoid that nasty 17 alpha-methyl-estrogen. Then I'll switch to nolvadex at week 7 since I'm only using a low dose of test and nolva doesn't hinder the action of the GH. I'll use proviron during my clomid therapy with the GH and I'll continue proviron for a total of 6 weeks to cut up and harden a bit. I'll finish up the whole thing with Nolva and GH. Thanks again. Oh, and I'll have bromo on hand just in case (for the tren).

-Spidey

[DiamondBling]

Are you that prone to gyno bro????
Damn that would suck

[TechChemY]

I wish I had the money for GH....that would be nice......but I'm just a poor college kid

[Metal Gear]

You are asking for trouble running fina for that long bro, especially if this is your 2nd cycle and you are prone to gyno. You'll be lactating like a mofo from your tits dude. You need to reasses this...trust me. I do mass doses and I wouldn't do fina for 3 months straight.

and Proviron by itself won't work as a good anti E, you need to have Nolvadex with it. Do what you want, but if you are asking for peple who have experienced the stuff that you have never touched, I would listen if I were you.

[spidey]

Originally posted by Metal Gear
You are asking for trouble running fina for that long bro, especially if this is your 2nd cycle and you are prone to gyno. You'll be lactating like a mofo from your tits dude. You need to reasses this...trust me. I do mass doses and I wouldn't do fina for 3 months straight.

and Proviron by itself won't work as a good anti E, you need to have Nolvadex with it. Do what you want, but if you are asking for peple who have experienced the stuff that you have never touched, I would listen if I were you.

The only thing so far that's given me gyno is the GH but maybe you're right. I only ran fina for 8 weeks last time so maybe I'll stick with that. I didn't get any gyno from 8 weeks at 50 mg ed.

I liked the look of the cycle you suggested except for the fina at 100 mg ed. I am a little afraid to shoot that much fina at once. 50 mg ed gave me 18 lbs in three weeks last time with minimal sides. I seem to be pretty sensitive to it. Also, I don't have enough test prop to run that much for 12 weeks. I don't want to spend anymore; my wife is about to shoot me as it is, LOL.

Why do you suggest running the fina at the end? Don't most of your gains come in the first three or four weeks?

I am not a big guy (5'8" and 156 lb) and I'm still a relative steroid newbie so I hesitate to shoot those large dosages.

How is this for a rethink:

weeks 1-7: dbol 25mg ed
tren 50 mg ed
Arimidex 1 mg eod
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 8-12: test prop 100 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 13-14: Clomid (100 mg ed week 13 then 50 mg ed week 14)
Proviron 50 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 15-18: Proviron 50 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 19-26: Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

Or I could shorten this whole thing to basically an 8 week dbol/fina cycle (not counting the GH) and just do:

weeks 1-6: dbol 25mg ed
tren 50 mg ed
Arimidex 1 mg eod
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 7-8: tren 50 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 9-10: Clomid (100 mg ed week 13 then 50 mg ed week 14)
Proviron 50 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 11-14: Proviron 50 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 15-26: Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed


I went and looked again and I only have 25 to 30 mL test prop (100mg/mL). That's not enough to do the cycle you suggest anyway and the only thing I got from test prop last time was acne. The tren was awsome though.

OK, now what do you think?

-Spidey

[Metal Gear]

what you are doing is putting eerything in the beginning of the cycle and then leaving test by itself at the end. You have to realize that test should be the basis of every cycle. Without androgen you are not going to grow bro. If you cycle correctly you should make gains all the way to the end of the cycle. If you think you only make gains in the beginning and then stop, then why bother doing a 10 week cycle then? It's not true the way you think. Here's a revised version.

Week 1-10 Test Prop 100mg eod
Week 1-5 dbol
Week 6-11 or 12 Fina at 50 or 75mg ed

I would run proviron throughout but that's up to you, I don't know how much you've got in your hands or run it when you start fina.

L-dex at 1mg eod is perfect

hGH, run it how ever you want it.

You want to blow up with the dbol and then tighten things up with fina.

[spidey]

OK, That looks like a keeper. Thanks. Thanks for the rational too. I'm always learning... .


-Spidey