tren vs eq

[Governor]

Originally posted by CaliBeachBum51
Like he said above, EQ is less toxic than Tren but one question, how many injections of Tren do you do a week? I shoot up every other day with EQ and Test Prop. So thats like 3 to 4 times a week. Anyways, Tren is well known for its ability to add good strength gains with great mass gains and little water retention. It is also great for burnin off fat. The only prob is that you should only run tren for no more than 6 weeks since it is very toxic to the liver and man does it make u agressive. Also, u can expect acne and normal androgen side effects since its adrogen properties are pretty damn strong. EQ is still one of my favorites. I just like to use Fina when i want to looked a little more ripped. Also, i wouldnt reccomend Tren to a begging roid user.

tren is not liver toxic.

[CaliBeachBum51]

Dude where the hell did u hear that Tren is not toxic? Get ur facts straight man.... Tren is toxic... even at 300 mgs. a week it can do some damage..

[ephedra]

i didn't think tren was toxic. i ran tren (75mg ED) for 12 weeks and my liver values were fine. TREN KICKS ASS

[Governor]

Originally posted by CaliBeachBum51
Dude where the hell did u hear that Tren is not toxic? Get ur facts straight man.... Tren is toxic... even at 300 mgs. a week it can do some damage..

you're funny....do some research.

[Governor]

Originally posted by ephedra
i didn't think tren was toxic. i ran tren (75mg ED) for 12 weeks and my liver values were fine. TREN KICKS ASS

there is some first hand experience for ya.

[Drenten]

Tren is more toxic to your kidneys than you liver.

[WSURAIDER]

main difference IMO is you get nice tren results in about 4 weeks, where eq will take you 8. I love the eq vascularity though.

[lsu777]

tren is hard on the kidneys but doesn't affect your liver you need to check your facts dude.

[prolangtum]

Originally posted by lsu777
tren is hard on the kidneys but doesn't affect your liver you need to check your facts dude.

Show me one study where tren is shown as kidney or liver toxic.

[prolangtum]

Posted this on another thread, but ill put it up here, its form Chad's Forum:

The genotoxicity of trenbolone, a synthetic steroid.

Richold M
Huntingdon Research Centre, Cambs, England

Trenbolone, a synthetic androgen is used as a growth promotant in animal husbandry. Because of its steroidal structure and properties it has been extensively evaluated in a series of in vitro and in vivo assays to assess its genotoxic and initiating properties. Both the parent molecule 17-beta-hydroxy-trenbolone and its metabolite 17-alpha-hydroxy-trenbolone, produced only in cattle, have been tested.

17-beta-hydroxy-trenbolone was not genotoxic in the Ames Salmonella/microsome assay, cytogenetics assays in human lymphocytes and CHO cells, a micronucleus assay in CHO cells, a DNA repair synthesis assay in HeLa cells, mammalian cell mutation assays with CHO and V79 cells, the mouse micronucleus assay, rat bone marrow or spermatogonial cytogenetics assays or in a test for initiators in the rat. In the mouse lymphoma cell mutation assay with L 5178Y TK+/- cells, equivocal responses were obtained, particularly at highly toxic concentrations.

With 17-alpha-hydroxy-trenbolone a weak positive response was obtained in the L5178Y Tk +/- assay, particularly at highly toxic concentrations. Negative results were obtained in the Ames Salmonella/microsome assay, the cytogenetics assays using both human lymphocytes in vitro and rat bone marrow in vivo, the DNA repair assay and in the CHO mammalian cell mutation assay. It was also negative in the in vivo test for initiators. From this extensive battery of data, and also taking into account published data on trenbolone, it is concluded that 17-alpha-hydroxytrenbolone and 17-beta-hydroxy-trenbolone are devoid of genotoxic activity and are not initiators of cancer."

What this essentially means is that Trenbolone has been run through a series of toxicity tests to determine its effects on humans since we get trace amounts of it via beef treated with implants - and the results were negative. Trenbolone is not overly toxic to kidneys or liver compared to other injectable preparations.

That BA is toxic is a non-issue at the volumes injected by bodybuilders, as it is a bacteriostatic in ALL injectable preparations.

This is Rea's response to that thought:

"The benzyl alcohol content of 1ml of testosterone cypionate is 9.45mg and this is true of most name brand testosterone preperations as well. Those that are compounded tend to contain slightly high concentrations. A 5% concentration would be approximately 50mg per ml...though the trenbolone kits actually commonly contain more (source dependent). Assuming that an athlete administered 1ml of testosterone propionate daily the weekly benzyl alcohol content would be under 70mg. In the case of trenbolone kit preperations, a daily ml administered would result in 350mg or more. Cough at the facts if you wish, but knowledge is power."

Alright, so 1000mg/kg of BA can potentially kill you. That is about 100,000mg for an average bodybuilder!

This information on Cypionate is on one specific brand where BA is a bacteriostatic agent at less than 1%, while the content of Benzyl Benzoate is 20% as a solvent. You will find that in most preparations, BA is used as the main solvent at 5%. The density of BA is listed as 1.045 g/mL, which in a 5% solution is just over 50mg - so no argument there, except that this is not in any way unique to Trenbolone as many of you who have used Mexican products can attest to. You would need to inject the equivalent of 2,000ml of solution to achieve a toxic dosage of BA as per the studies he himself referenced. Now I know he advocates pretty crazy dosages, but...if anyone is doing half a GALLON of Trenbolone in their cycles I think there would be a lot of other issues to be concerned with.

[CaliBeachBum51]

Hmmm... Thats a good post... I'll have to recheck with my suplier on the toxicity of tren but i was told that it was toxic to both the liver and the kidneys... and i still stand by that.... but i will do more info search cuz i hate to be wrong...lol