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    I was pretty much under the impression that GH didnt surpress the bodys natural production, but after speaking with a friend that has been on for yrs, he has told me differently and added this article he found...this part in particular...
    Injecting growth hormone at night raises the serum
    level of growth hormone precisely during the time the pituitary is scheduled
    to become active. This high serum level of growth hormone from the injection
    can suppress our natural pituitary function by negative feedback. We then
    not only lose the benefit of our own endogenous growth hormone, but also run
    the risk of surpressing the pituitary, thus making it "lazy". For the most
    part, the pituitary has completed its function and is at rest by 5 a.m.
    Therefore injecting after awakening in the morning results in injecting "on
    top of the peak" of endogenous (our own) growth hormone, so as not to
    suppress the pituitary. By the time the pituitary is ready again for its
    nighttime activity, the growth hormone given in the morning injection has
    been completely metabolized. This eliminates the risk of pituitary
    suppression.


    Forms of Human Growth Hormone (hGH)
    By David Leonardi, M. D.
    INTRODUCTION

    Growth Hormone is a polypeptide hormone. This means it
    is composed of a long
    chain of amino acids, 191 to be exact. Under normal
    physiologic conditions,
    growth hormone is secreted by the anterior pituitary
    gland. This is a gland
    that lies at the base of the brain in a bony cavity
    called the Sella
    Turcica. In addition to growth hormone, the anterior
    pituitary also secretes
    prolactin, thyroid stimulating hormone, luteinizing
    hormone, follicle
    stimulating hormone, and adrenal corticotropic
    hormone. The secretion of
    growth hormone by the pituitary gland is initiated by
    the hypothalamus,
    another gland in the brain that lies right next to the
    pituitary. The
    hypothalamus initiates growth hormone secretion by
    secreting growth hormone
    releasing hormone (GHRH); at the same time it stops
    secreting a growth
    hormone inhibitory hormone called somatostatin. When
    somatostatin is turned
    off and GHRH is turned on, the pituitary will release
    growth hormone in
    bursts of activity. These bursts of growth hormone
    release occur primarily
    during deep stages of sleep, such as stage 3 and stage
    4. Once released in
    the blood, growth hormone is very short lived. It is
    generally completely
    metabolized and gone within a half-hour. During that
    time, however, it
    manages to reach the liver and many other cells in the
    body, and induce them
    to make another polypeptide hormone called
    Insulin-like Growth Factor One
    (IGF-1). It is really IGF-1 that travels around to the
    various tissues of
    the body to effect most of the benefits that we
    attribute to growth hormone.
    The secretion of growth hormone itself is regulated by
    a classic biofeedback
    loop. This means when levels of growth hormone in the
    blood reach a certain
    threshold, growth hormone stimulates receptors in the
    pituitary to stop
    further growth hormone secretion. It also stimulates
    receptors in the
    hypothalamus to stop GHRH and turn on somatostatin.
    IGF-1, which goes up in
    response to growth hormone, also feeds back on the
    pituitary and
    hypothalamus to help control growth hormone secretion.
    This is nature's
    system of checks and balances to assure we don't have
    too much of any one
    hormone.

    NOMENCLATURE

    The nomenclature for growth hormone is a bit
    complicated, but understanding
    it from the beginning can save much confusion in the
    future. Somatropin
    refers to growth hormone of the same amino acid
    sequence as the naturally
    occurring growth hormone. Somatropin extracted from
    the human pituitary
    gland was originally designated (hGH, or pit-hGH).
    Manufactured growth
    hormone is made by recombinant DNA technology. This is
    a system of
    genetically modifying either bacteria cells or
    mammalian cells in tissue
    culture so that they include in their genome, the gene
    that directs the cell
    to make human growth hormone. As the cells in the
    tissue culture grow and
    function, they will synthesize human growth hormone by
    the exact same
    process in the human pituitary. Since this is a
    natural process, human
    growth hormone is not considered a synthetic. The
    proper abbreviation for
    manufactured (recombinant) human growth hormone is
    rGH. Unfortunately, the
    abbreviations have been misused even in the medical
    community, and
    recombinant human growth hormone is commonly
    represented by the abbreviation
    hGH. The designation is no longer critical since human
    growth hormone of
    pituitary origin is no longer used in the United
    States, or anywhere in the
    world that I'm aware of. The term hGH or GH therefore,
    refers to human
    growth hormone from recombinant DNA technology. It is
    pure and 100% free of
    any contaminants or micro-organisms.

    HISTORY

    Prior to the advent of recombinant DNA technology, the
    only source of growth
    hormone was from human cadavers. More than 27,000
    children worldwide were
    treated with growth hormone of this source (pit-hGH).
    Due to short supply,
    children were treated with low doses and interrupted
    regimens. As a result,
    their response and ultimate height was mitigated.
    Distribution of pit-hGH
    was stopped in the United States and most of Europe in
    1985, with the
    emergence of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease. This is a rare
    and fatal spongiform
    encephalopathy, caused by a small pathogen called a
    prion. This is the same
    pathogen that causes "Mad Cow Disease" recently seen
    in Europe from infected
    cattle. It is impossible to catch Creutzfeldt-Jakob
    Disease or any other
    infection from recombinant human growth hormone
    because it is not derived
    from a human or animal source, but from a purified
    tissue culture. For
    purposes of this discussion, the term growth hormone,
    GH or hGH will mean
    growth hormone made by recombinant DNA technology.

    The bio-potency of commercially available growth
    hormone is typically
    represented by either milligrams or units. To put it
    simply, 1 milligram of
    growth hormone is equivalent to 3 units. The
    international units were
    developed by the World Health Organization in order to
    standardize growth
    hormone preparations because of the various production
    techniques used early
    on in the manufacturing process. By now, the
    manufacturing process has been
    streamlined and largely perfected so the
    bio-equivalency of the various
    brands of growth hormone (at least those manufactured
    and approved by the
    FDA for sale in the United States) are identical.
    Therefore, a typical
    15-unit vial of growth hormone contains 5 mg, and a
    4-unit vial contains
    1.33 mg.

    USES OF GROWTH HORMONE

    Growth hormone was initially used for children of
    short stature who are
    growth hormone deficient, either because of an
    inactive pituitary, a tumor
    of the pituitary, or destruction of the pituitary by
    surgery or by radiation
    to remove a tumor. The other pituitary hormones were
    replaced along with GH.
    Growth hormone was used only until the children
    reached an acceptable adult
    height and then it was stopped because it was thought
    to be useful only for
    growth. The other pituitary hormones, however, which
    were thought to be more
    critical, were continued throughout adulthood. It
    wasn't until much later
    that adult growth hormone deficiency was recognized to
    be a problem. It was
    discovered that adults who were deficient in growth
    hormone suffered from
    premature cardiovascular disease, reduced bone
    density, central obesity,
    decreased muscle mass, depressed mood, elevated levels
    of LDL (bad)
    cholesterol, slower wound healing, fatigue, poor
    exercise tolerance and poor
    immune function. At that point the use of growth
    hormone began in this
    unfortunate population, resulting in improvement of
    all of the above. It
    wasn't until 1990, however, that the benefits of
    growth hormone and the
    treatment of normal aging were recognized. The most
    recent new use of growth
    hormone is for the treatment of AIDS Wasting Syndrome.
    This is the condition
    of weakness, fatigue, and loss of muscle mass in AIDS
    patients. Since we at
    Cenegenics® specialize in metabolic and hormonal
    control of aging, we will
    limit this discussion to the use of growth hormone in
    the treatment of
    normal aging.

    SOMATOPAUSE

    Somatopause is an extrapolation of the term
    "menopause." Menopause is the
    condition in women whereby the ovaries atrophy and
    cease to produce the sex
    hormones Estrogen, Progesterone and Testosterone.
    Somatopause signifies the
    gradual decline in growth hormone production by the
    adult pituitary gland in
    both men and women that begins at approximately age 30
    and continues at a
    steady rate throughout life. The decline in growth
    hormone level that occurs
    with Somatopause is accompanied by deterioration in
    the structure and
    functional capacity of our body, which is ultimately
    devastating to the
    human condition. In fact, there is absolutely no
    difference between the
    clinical signs and symptoms of aging and those of
    adult growth hormone
    deficiency described above. The late Dr. Daniel Rudman
    first described the
    benefits of growth hormone therapy in normal aging
    adults. Dr. Rudman
    published a landmark article in the New England
    Journal of Medicine on July
    7th, 1990. In his article, Dr. Rudman showed that by
    putting healthy aging
    men on growth hormone for six months, he was able to
    decrease their body fat
    by 14.4%, increase muscle mass by 8.8%, increase skin
    thickness by 7.1%, and
    increase lumbar bone density by 1.6%. These exciting
    findings clearly
    inaugurated the movement to supplement growth hormone
    in healthy aging
    adults, which today is becoming commonplace.

    TREATMENT REGIMENS

    Growth hormone can be given either subcutaneously or
    by intra-muscular
    injection with equal therapeutic activity.
    Subcutaneous administration is
    now used almost exclusively because intra-muscular
    administration is fraught
    with an increase in side effects without any
    additional therapeutic benefit.
    Back in Dr. Rudman's time, growth hormone was
    typically dosed three times a
    week in what we now consider a high dose regimen.
    People would typically
    receive 12-18 units per week given in injections of
    4-6 units, three times a
    week. Although great benefits were seen, side effects
    were very common, and
    much more bothersome than those we see today.
    Currently we use only about
    half the weekly dose used in Dr. Rudman's study, by
    smaller and more
    frequent injections, which provide both a better
    clinical response and far
    fewer side-effects. In one study on growth hormone
    deficient children, those
    that received daily injections increased their height
    during the study
    period by 9.7 centimeters more than those who received
    thrice-weekly
    injections. Besides the low dose-high frequency
    technique, the physicians at
    Cenegenics® also employ morning injections as opposed
    to evening. The reason
    for this has to do with the biofeedback mechanism for
    growth hormone. Most
    of our natural pituitary growth hormone secretion
    occurs at night during
    deep stages of sleep. Injecting growth hormone at
    night raises the serum
    level of growth hormone precisely during the time the
    pituitary is scheduled
    to become active. This high serum level of growth
    hormone from the injection
    can suppress our natural pituitary function by
    negative feedback. We then
    not only lose the benefit of our own endogenous growth
    hormone, but also run
    the risk of surpressing the pituitary, thus making it
    "lazy". For the most
    part, the pituitary has completed its function and is
    at rest by 5 a.m.
    Therefore injecting after awakening in the morning
    results in injecting "on
    top of the peak" of endogenous (our own) growth
    hormone, so as not to
    suppress the pituitary. By the time the pituitary is
    ready again for its
    nighttime activity, the growth hormone given in the
    morning injection has
    been completely metabolized. This eliminates the risk
    of pituitary
    suppression.

    BENEFITS

    The benefits of growth hormone use in somatopause
    which have been clearly
    documented in the medical literature include the
    following: a decrease in
    body fat, an increase in muscle mass, thickening of
    the skin with decreased
    wrinkling, improvement in the cholesterol profile, an
    increase in bone
    density, enhanced feeling of well being, a decrease in
    the waist to hip
    ratio (meaning fat is removed primarily from around
    the waist where it is
    associated with a high risk of coronary disease),
    improvement in aerobic
    capacity, enhanced immune function and a decrease in
    the frequency of
    illness. The changes that our patients at Cenegenics®
    seem to be most
    pleased with are the elevation in mood, increase in
    energy level, improved
    sleep, decrease in body fat, increase in muscle mass
    and enhanced ability to
    handle adversity with confidence and optimism.

    SIDE-EFFECTS

    Side effects of growth hormone are generally mild and
    are largely associated
    with salt and water retention. The minority of
    patients that experience this
    typically complain of mild weight gain from water
    retention associated with
    a vague feeling of puffiness. This is sometimes
    accompanied by joint
    discomfort, particularly in the fingers, with a
    feeling of tightness when
    making a fist. Other joints may also become
    uncomfortable. Carpal Tunnel
    Syndrome is a well-known side effect of growth hormone
    that was more common
    in the early days when growth hormone was given in
    higher dose with lower
    frequency. Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is also a function
    of fluid retention,
    which causes water to accumulate in the closed carpal
    tunnel compartment of
    the wrist, compressing the median nerve. This results
    in numbness and
    tingling in the palm and fingers. These side effects
    are easily remedied by
    abstaining from growth hormone for about a week, and
    then resuming the
    treatment with a 20% dose reduction. Older patients
    are more subject to side
    effects and are generally started at a low dose of
    growth hormone than
    younger adults. Another potential side-effect of
    growth hormone is the
    elevation of blood sugar. Growth hormone mobilizes
    body fat, causing our fat
    cells to break themselves down and release free fatty
    acids into the blood
    stream. These free fatty acids are energy molecules
    which can be taken up by
    organs and many of our organs to be used for energy.
    When our muscles are
    consuming free fatty acids as a fuel, they are far
    less interested in sugar,
    therefore they tend to resist the effects of insulin,
    and extract less sugar
    from the blood. At the same time, growth hormone can
    increase glucose output
    from the liver to the blood. This combination of
    effects can raise blood
    sugar and raise insulin levels, neither of which is
    good. Fortunately, this
    is only a problem in people who eat a diet high in
    sugar and starch, and do
    little exercise. At Cenegenics® we teach our patients
    to eat a low glycemic
    diet (low in sugar and starch) and exercise regularly.
    The effect of our
    nutrition and exercise program in lowering blood
    glucose and insulin levels
    far outweighs the effect of growth hormone in raising
    glucose and insulin
    levels. The net effect in our patients, therefore, is
    the lowering of
    glucose and insulin levels. This is a very
    health-promoting benefit that
    prevents disease and extends life span.

    ACROMEGALY

    Acromegaly and giantism are diseases of growth hormone
    excess. These are
    typically seen by persons who have growth hormone
    secreting tumors. Giantism
    refers to the condition of growth hormone excess in
    children, where their
    ultimate height is far above normal because the growth
    hormone excess occurs
    when the epiphyseal plates of the bones are still open
    and the bones are
    growing. Acromegaly refers to growth hormone excess in
    adulthood after the
    epiphyses are closed and the bones are no longer
    growing. In these people
    the cartilage continues to grow, and the disease is
    characterized by
    enlargement of the nose, chin, ears, supra-orbital
    ridge (eyebrow area),
    hands and feet. Patients occasionally ask if
    acromegaly can result from
    growth hormone supplementation in adulthood. The
    answer is absolutely not.
    Acromegaly results in growth hormone levels that are
    two to ten times that
    of a normal adult. Keep in mind that when we
    supplement growth hormone in a
    controlled and monitored medical program, we bring the
    level only up to the
    mid-normal range of an adult. In fact, one would have
    to use ridiculously
    high doses by today's standards to achieve the growth
    hormone levels seen in
    acromegaly.

    MONITORING

    Since growth hormone is metabolized so quickly, it is
    not easily measured in
    a blood test. The levels fluctuate widely, and
    measuring growth hormone is
    notoriously inaccurate. The best laboratory marker we
    have for growth
    hormone is the measurement of Insulin-like Growth
    Factor One (IGF-1). IGF-1
    levels are much more stable in the blood and not only
    reflect the average
    daily growth hormone level, but directly reflect
    growth hormone activity;
    because IGF-1 is the hormone that carries out most of
    the benefits of growth
    hormone. So, despite claims about its shortcomings, it
    remains an excellent
    marker of growth hormone effect, and certainly the
    best one available in the
    laboratory. There is one better marker of the benefit
    of growth hormone,
    however. It's what we call the "clinical benefit".
    This is the feedback we
    get from patients who are taking growth hormone. How
    they are feeling in
    terms of energy, well being, body composition,
    frequency of illness, their
    own physical appearance, etc. is far more valuable a
    marker than any blood
    test can be. What we really use the IGF-1 level for is
    to be certain beyond
    a doubt that we're not giving too much growth hormone.
    We titrate the dose
    of growth hormone to get an optimal clinical response
    (a happy patient) even
    if the IGF-1 hasn't reached a particular goal range.
    This often allows us to
    limit the dose and minimize patient costs. After all,
    we're treating the
    patient, not the blood test.
    SECRETAGOGUES

    Secretagogues are preparations taken orally that are
    designed to stimulate
    the pituitary to secret more of our own (endogenous)
    growth hormone.
    Secretagogues are composed of amino acids or chains of
    amino acids called
    peptides. The usefulness and benefit of these products
    is extremely
    variable, with the benefit ranging from moderate to
    none whatsoever. A very
    large, and unfortunately, very deceptive industry has
    grown up around these
    products, and we recommend they be used only in a
    monitored program because
    they often simply don't work. Measuring the IGF-1
    level prior to commencing,
    and three months after starting a secretagogue program
    will give you a much
    better idea of its benefit or lack thereof. For more
    information on
    secretagogues, please visit that document:
    <http://www.888younger.com/abstracts/abs3.html>

    PREPARATIONS OF GROWTH HORMONE

    Although growth hormones is still under patent,
    several companies have paid
    royalties to the original developers of human growth
    hormone for the rights
    to manufacture and sell it. There are therefore a
    large number of companies
    now manufacturing and distributing growth hormone
    worldwide. Those available
    in the United States are, by brand name and the
    manufacturer's name:

    Pharmacia and Upjohn -Genotropin

    Lilly -Humatrope

    Novonordisk -Nordatropin

    Genentech -Nutropin

    Serono Laboratories -Saizen & Serostim

    GEREF

    Another option to the use of growth hormone is the use
    of growth hormone
    releasing hormone (GHRH) now manufactured only by
    Serono Laboratories and
    branded Geref. GHRH works by stimulating our pituitary
    to make our growth
    hormone. This seems a more natural and rational
    approach because we are
    stimulating the endocrine axis at a higher level, and
    increasing levels of
    growth hormone more naturally. We don't prefer GHRH
    however, because we find
    it more difficult to achieve adequate levels of IGF-1,
    and it is a bit more
    expensive.

    SUMMARY

    Originally taken only from human cadavers, and used
    only in children of
    short stature, growth hormone has had an interesting
    and controversial
    history. Fortunately, the understanding of its
    importance in adult
    physiology came at approximately the same time as
    recombinant DNA
    technology, which led to greater availability along
    with virtual safety.
    Soon after this, the comparison was made between
    growth hormone deficient
    adults and aging adults. Because of the tremendous
    similarities, growth
    hormone began to be used and soon gained great
    popularity in the treatment
    of normal aging. Growth hormone is clearly useful and
    therapeutic in this
    regard as long as it is used in a carefully monitored,
    professionally
    managed program. Any growth hormone program must
    include proper nutrition
    and exercise with emphasis on a low glycemic diet

  • #2
    Bro I'll have to get back to the post, it's a bit long

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    • #3
      I would email or PM ironmaster over at EF.
      The juice is loose!!!

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      • #4
        Isn't that the reason why people use hgh 5 on 2 off, because originally it was done like that for night time users so their pituitary wouldn't get lazy.

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        • #5
          Bump...
          I tried PM ironmaster but his box is full...dammit!

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          • #6
            Good post Doom. Lots of good info. on dosage.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JohnnyB
              Isn't that the reason why people use hgh 5 on 2 off, because originally it was done like that for night time users so their pituitary wouldn't get lazy.

              JohnnyB
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              I cant say it dont shut you down or whatever you want to call it, but I doubt it really does. The dose is pretty damn low after 30 or so anyways...I wouldnt inject at night anyways though

              Im sure we will all find out soon enough after the long acting GH gets used by many people for a year or so...

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              • #8
                WOW!.....Just in time bro!.....great post, lots of quality info.
                I was going to take mine just before bed........changed my mind after this post!

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