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**Tinytim'sGirl** · 04-28-2003, 01:14 PM

thanks guys.

**spidey** · 04-28-2003, 01:24 PM

I did my first cycle last year. It was trenbolone acetate (50 mg ed) and testosterone propionate (50 mg ed). I am 34 and an educated man (Ph.D. chemist) and did my homework before trying anything. I took cranberry extract and LOTS of water everyday. R-ALA (for liver protection) would have been a good addition as well but it turned out I didn't need it. I gained 27 lbs during 12 weeks and felt the best mentally and physically that I've ever felt. I felt no extra aggression at all (in spite of taking tren which has a rep for aggression). No undue hairloss either.

I did suffer a few temporary negative sides: my muscles were extremely tight all the time and were prone to cramping with any exertion. I had a bit of insomnia and also some nasty night sweats. My shoulders and back broke out with acne. These side effects dissappeared within a few days upon cessation and all I was left with was an extra 27 lbs of muscle! I started Clomid therapy 3 days after my last shot and continued for 2 weeks. Two weeks after finishing clomid therapy, I had my testosterone levels measured and they came back smack in the middle of the normal range, i.e. my hypothalmic testicular axis (HTPA) was fully recovered.

Oh yeah (almost forgot). I did develop a small pea sized knot under my nipples about 5 weeks AFTER stopping my cycle. This was probably due to my not using any anti-estrogens during my cycle. The problem was fully resolved by taking 20 mg nolvadex ed for a few months (no knots or signs of gyno). The moral here is: USE ANTI-E's.

I had blood work done before starting my cycle to establish baseline values for my liver, kidneys, and lipid profile (full testosterone panel would have been smart also). I had another round of blood tests about 5 to 6 weeks into my cycle and found that all values were nearly identical with precycle values except for cholesterol which was up to 179 from 155; still in the acceptable range. This change in cholesterol was due mainly to LDL; HDL did not change significantly but LDL went up. I had another round of blood tests at the end of my 12 week cycle. Again, still no changes in my liver values or kidney values/function. Interestingly, my cholesterol did not increase beyond the 5 to 6 week levels.

Due to some unrelated chronic shoulder issues (these injuries are 12 years old), I couldn't work out at all for 6 weeks and was out of the gym a week or two at a time periodically for the next 3 months. During this time I lost about 10 lbs. I have regained about 3 or 4 lbs naturally so I am sitting at about +19 or 20 lbs at 6 months post cycle with absolutely no unwanted permanent sides from AS use.

To answer one of your questions, yes, blood tests are a MUST when taking steroids. Only a fool would monkey with drugs that change your body chemistry without montering closely. I am not one to sacrifice my overall health in order to look good at the beach for a season or two. I would definately get blood work done before starting to establish baseline values for liver, kidney function as well as a full lipid profile and testosterone panel. Check these values again midway through the cycle and look for agregious changes. If there are, modify your diet and supplements to combat and check again in a couple weeks. If values continue to worsen, you may want to consider stopping the cycle prematurely before anything permanent happens. The majority of the time, everything is still pretty close to precycle values at the midpoint. In this case, another round of blood tests aren't needed until the end of the cycle. You might want to wait until after ancillary therapy (to jumpstart testosterone production) to get the tests done so that the testosterone panel will tell you if your HTPA is fully recovered. One thing to add to the above is that bad changes to cholesterol levels are pretty much par for the course here and are only temporary. After ceasing steroid use, they will go back to their "normal" genetically controlled values. High cholesterol for a couple of months is not anything to worry about really. It would be wise to moniter blood pressure while "on" as well, especially if you have a problem with high BP.

OK, that pretty much covers everything I think. Sorry for the lengthy response.

-Spidey

**Tinytim'sGirl** · 04-28-2003, 02:17 PM

thanks spidey
your response was very informational. i'll pass this on to tiny and make sure he reads it. i just want him to be smart about it as well.
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