1st cycle

[Berzerker]

I'm planning my 1st cycle. I am a bit put off by reports that sust will be painful, i don't want to be walking around like John Wayne for a week.

Would diluting it with Eq really help?? Or should I just do a plain cycle of ethanate? Or mix eth and Eq.? I don't want to bloat, and would like to retain my gains post cycle.

I would appreciate any feedback.

Thanks

[jack hust]

if you are using human grade sust the pain is not bad at all i never even notice it myself you could still mix it with the eq if you want if you are doing less than 750 mgs of sust a week i would go with the test eth with sust you shloud inj at least eod

[obscured78]

my first cycle was sust only. the first shot was the worst but was tolerable. i had good gains but you could throw in the eq or some deca. run it for at least 10 weeks. maybe some d-bol for first 4 weeks to jumpstart it.

[Fierce149]

Re: 1st cycle

Originally posted by Berzerker
I'm planning my 1st cycle. I am a bit put off by reports that sust will be painful, i don't want to be walking around like John Wayne for a week.

Would diluting it with Eq really help?? Or should I just do a plain cycle of ethanate? Or mix eth and Eq.? I don't want to bloat, and would like to retain my gains post cycle.

I would appreciate any feedback.

Thanks

I would do the enanthate with eq, if your worried about bloat purchase some liquidex. Use clomid to retain gains.

[Fierce149]

Originally posted by Crankin'steiN
I'm probably going to get bashed for saying this..... But here it goes.....


Why are you using Test for you first cycle?? Test is a great drug, but you could get great gains from something with less side effects, because you are so fresh.... I would personally suggest Deca, its one of the safest AS out there. You should have good gains from a fairly low dose too, so don't go jumping right up to 600mg a week.... You can probably get by with 200mg, then if the gains aren't coming bump it a bit. You should ease into AS especially if you are going to be a long time user. Because you need somewhere to go later. What I mean is if you start with the most potent AS at a fairly high dose, then your only going to go up from there, next thing you know your taking 2000mg of test..... I think you see my point.....

Go ahead everyone bash me now because I am saying he shouldn't use test as a first cycle......LOL

Thats my 2 pennys

imo test should be used in every cycle as a base, but hey thats just me i guess.

[Berzerker]

Thanks for your feedback, looks like its debatable! I'd prefer to only inj once a week, and because its time-released I think sust would be best. If I mix it with some deca, would I get deca dick?? (my gf would freak out!) Is there an ideal 1st cycle? What would the dosage & frequency be? I'm planning a 3 month cycle.

Guess I have all these questions. I appreciate the help!

[Fierce149]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Thanks for your feedback, looks like its debatable! I'd prefer to only inj once a week, and because its time-released I think sust would be best. If I mix it with some deca, would I get deca dick?? (my gf would freak out!) Is there an ideal 1st cycle? What would the dosage & frequency be? I'm planning a 3 month cycle.

Guess I have all these questions. I appreciate the help!

500mg sust
400mg deca

You can mix them in the same syringe. Shoot twice weekly, you should keep your levels even. No you will not get deca dick if you take any type of test in your cycle.

[manny78]

What are you looking for in your first cycle ? Test at 250 mg for 8 weeks would enough. With a solid diet and hard training, no doubt you could make great gains. Keep the EQ for another cycle. No need to make things complicated.

[BullFX]

after 1 year of research, readin and seein poeples first cycles and the amount of gains they had, i have became with this conclusion

it is def possible to have great gains with min doses ( 200/250mg of test /wk only, gains 0-20 lbs )

there has been people doin deca only/ eq only cycles ( lowdoses, gains about 5-10 pounds MAX)

ofcoures pendin o your generics.. u can have those gains... Most other cycles iv seen were the bread and butter TEST/DECA 500/400mg and most of the poeple had gains from 10-30 pounds .. diet and trainin ofcourse is the most important

but i guess its a personal choice and your goals... for me, i want max size possible as fast as possible ... so i chose 500test/ 400eq / 30dblz for first cycle..

[neuoptics04]

Hey dude,
Bro Im like 7 weeks into my cycle which consist of:
500MG SUST./wk
200 dbols(throughout cycle)
In reality it really is my first "real" cycle and all I have to say is"I love this stuff". Ive gained about 20lbs so far this cycle and good strength.Like was mentioned in the previous post human sust. not painfull and plus.."I LOVE THE PAIN AND U WILL TOO"
SO flick and stick.
good luck buddy

[Berzerker]

It's great to see some of you want to pass on the benefit of your experience. I'm looking for about 20lbs of lean muscle. I'll do clomid at the end. I'm 5'9 and 165. I'm v. focused in the gym and train hard. My schedule is a full body workout 3 x week that saps everything I got and pumps me up like crazy! I can eat anything (including a few pints of guinness now and then) and not put on fat. I want to steer clear of sides if at all possible. I was thinking I'd like to start with 1 shot of sust 250mg a week and see how that works, then up it if need be. There was another post somewhere that EQL sust was really painful, he developed a lump, couldn't go to work or get out of bed! Obviously if this is true, I'd look for an alternative.

[rado]

Re: 1st cycle

Originally posted by Berzerker
I'm planning my 1st cycle. I am a bit put off by reports that sust will be painful, i don't want to be walking around like John Wayne for a week.

Would diluting it with Eq really help?? Or should I just do a plain cycle of ethanate? Or mix eth and Eq.? I don't want to bloat, and would like to retain my gains post cycle.

I would appreciate any feedback.

Thanks

EQ & Test are great together(get you some Liq for the bloat), if you can get some QV gear that. Sustanon IMO is NOT painful(at least not to me). If you want to retain your gains, the board will tell you to get some Clomid or Hcg, I've never taken any of those and have kept ALL of my gains, no bloat or gyno either.

[Berzerker]

I LOVE THE PAIN AND U WILL TOO"

Good one! (LOL)

[Berzerker]

Thanks! I think I'm gonna go with sust 250mg + EQ 250mg per week for 10 weeks. Would one shot per week be advisable, or should I split it up?

I don't want to put my kidneys or liver through dealing with orals. I also like the idea of EQ for appetite.

Do I have to use an anti-e throughout (would that be nolva??), or should I just do clomid at the end???
I'd like to get HCG to kick start the balls again but I don't have a source.

Lotsa questions here!

[bowbow]

If those are the doses you have decided on split into 2 shots per week. 125mgs of each twice a week. Make sure you have your nolvadex but I wouldnt run it throughout your cycle. At those doses you should be fine.