Help for my bro who can't seem to put n weight.

[edvedr]

N-LARGE FOR WEIGHT GAINER AND MY BUDDY HAD THE SAME PROB AND HE WOULD MAKE A POUND OF PASTA A DAY AND JUST EAT SOME WHEN EVER HE COULD UNTIL IT WAS GONE (PLUS HIS NORMAL MEALS) HIS ONLY GOAL WAS TO FINISH THE PASTA BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY, WORKED FOR HIM

[trancedelt]

id watch out for weight gainers.. taking those for a long period of time can probably lower your insulin sensitivity, lots of high GI carbs in a drink makes for a big insulin spike. maybe if its only while on.
i agree with the pasta, especially vegetable pasta, very carb dense and at least its complex, even though the the GI is high for a complex carb. you get a surprising amount of cals in a plate of pasta.

[HULK1550]

Billy said pretty much what i was going to say.
Bottom line is if your not gaining weight, you arent eating enough. Maybe he cant eat enough for his crazy metabolizism in which case he needs to eat like a fatass. Triple burgers, all shakes add flax or peanut butter, ect. Tons of cal dense food. May not be best for adding only lean muscle but thats not the goal here. He needs to get more cals. Bottom line

[Billy_Bathgate]

Nlarge is what I use. I woudlnt worry about insulin desensitivity. It really takes alot for that. Look at that fat gay whos a type II and look at the shit they eat...thats nothing to a weight gainer.

Take some rALA if your worried.

[Got Gear?]

N Large it is! And I know I've seen this stuff around.

Is it possible that he has naturally low insulin levels and that's what's causing his problems instead of a high metabolism?

I mean, the guy acts normal.. get's lots of sleep. I'd expect him to be all hyperactive if his metabolism is that fast.

[HULK1550]

Just because he has a high metabolism doesnt mean that he should be hyper. Maybe the reason he isnt hyper is because he doesnt have the energy to be because hes not getting those calories. Just something to think about. Get those cals in. He can grow.

[swolegreaser]

GG, I too was stuck at 170 at one point of my life. This is what I did to put on 35lbs of good weight. I had no choice, I play football and at a top notch program 170 aint gonna cut it, u'll get ur head torn off, even if you run a 4.3. Anyways this is what I did with some bulking steriods. My bulking diet:

7:00am -- 50g of protein with 2 tablespoons of flax oil

10:00am -- same

12:30pm -- 50g of protein 75g of carbs with real food, i.e chicken, tuna, egg whites, with some sort of carbs.

3:30pm -- sames as 10:00

5:30pm -- (pre workout) meal replacement drink with carbs and proteins/ 2 tablespoons of flax.

6:30pm -- usually workout time

8:00pm -- (post workout) 50g of protein and 125g of dextrose with 1 tablespoon of flax.

9:15pm -- eat the same as protein/carbs as the post workout shake.

11:00pm -- bedtime shake just 50g of protein shake.

Total -- protein approx. 400g, carbs approx 400g (he can have more if he wants)

*I was on gear so I worked out very heavy, he needs to too.

*Sumplements -- ALA 1000-1500mg ED, Milk Thistle 1000mg ED, Animal Pak multi vit's. 3g of vit C. cranberry juice ED, Glucosomine/chondriton/MSM 1500/1200/1000 ED.

About four months after intense training, eating and taking sumplements including gear I tipped the scale at 205, and kept my SPEED which I was very worried about but did.
There you have it hope this helps........Let me know what u think.

[Got Gear?]

Originally posted by swolegreaser
GG, I too was stuck at 170 at one point of my life. This is what I did to put on 35lbs of good weight.

Sweet! Thank you very much!
I'm going to print out your post and show it to him. If nothing else, it's good motivation.

[swolegreaser]

No prop GG any knowlegde that I have racked up and have worked good for me, I will be happy to help any of you bros out.

[trancedelt]

Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate


Take some rALA if your worried.

I agree. Maybe its just me im paranoid about becoming a diabetic.
with some ala, a weight gainer with oil mixed in would give you all the calories you need depending on how many shakes you have, along with 4 or 5 solid meals.

[HULK1550]

Hey GG,
Just another thought. Just because he trains with you doesnt mean what will work for you will work for him. Hardgainers often overtrain very easy. Just a thought, i have a great program that has worked for many of them hit me up if your interested. Ive also heard that suspension works well for hardgainers

[Got Gear?]

Thanks Hulk.

Never considered his workout may be the problem. He has made good gains, it's just all but stopped.

I try to keep him to my routine, but don't force anything on him. Usually we work out, do Cardio for 15min, then hit the hot tub or sauna. I stopped his Cardio and had him doing weight training while I was doing my Cardio. But am thinking now that it may be best for him to start bringing a premade shake or some food that he can eat while I'm doing Cardio instead of doing extra weight training.

Do any of you think Insulin post workout would help him much?

[PIT]

I had to eat 7,000 cals. plus a day in 7-8 meals with real food to gain. If nobody can gain with that then they shouldn't even try.

[Josh]

Originally posted by Got Gear?
Thanks Hulk.

Never considered his workout may be the problem. He has made good gains, it's just all but stopped.

I try to keep him to my routine, but don't force anything on him. Usually we work out, do Cardio for 15min, then hit the hot tub or sauna. I stopped his Cardio and had him doing weight training while I was doing my Cardio. But am thinking now that it may be best for him to start bringing a premade shake or some food that he can eat while I'm doing Cardio instead of doing extra weight training.

Do any of you think Insulin post workout would help him much?

i think slin is a viable option if this doesnt work. Do a shot and then pig out. Try that 4 4 weeks???

[HULK1550]

GG?
Good idea to have him stop the cardio. Yes a shake as soon as HE gets done would be an improvement. Insulin could help if he is responsible enough with his diet. In fact, thats what im doing now between cycles. Fat gain is minimal if any and gains are still coming.
HULK