Angry all Naturall guy about to get one Juice

[DieselGUY]

I know I have been giving it thoughts about my little cannon............ well, not so little But I am gonna be more concentrated on my build up then girls during the cycle so I don't really care I all I care is to reach my goal witch is 230 with only 10 BLS of fat and do it cheap and I don't like looking to vascular. I am open to any suggestions so feel free to teach me and I never ruled out test just that it gets me so sick that I can't even go to gym that's why I'mm avoiding it.

[rado]

Re: Angry all Naturall guy about to get one Juice

Originally posted by DieselGUY
Yeah im freaking going nuts I can't get cheap Deca. but anyway I have been workingout for 4 years and from the start I was 160 LBS with around 15% BF, now after all these years im up to 220 with 12.8% BF and I wanna get on juice for the first time. Well 5 weeks agow I got me a bottle of QV Test 250MG and I took it for three weeks and I hated the feeling of it so I stoped taking it. Nothing bad happened but I hate the Test flu that you get from test. Right fater I decidet to take Deca and now I have been on it for the past 4 weeks and I love it but this shit is expencive. Im planing on going on it for 16 weeks and the up coming week im gonna stack it up with Dboll. Do you guys think Dboll is gonna make me feel like Test cuase im gonna end up killin someone if I get one more flu like before. The morals of the story is I don't know shit what im doing and im a freaking retard but I love Deca and I got to find a new source.

1st time and 16 weeks

[BiggerStronger]

Jesus Christ...

What the hell is going on dieselguy? Perhaps you should read up on what you're doing before sticking tons of unknown chemicals into your body. You are the reason steroids get a bad rep.

Your first cycle was so ridiculous that I couldn't help but laugh out loud about it. Do you know what anti-e's are? Do you even know why you use them? I noticed you didn't talk about those at all. Also you are going to screw your body by going straight into another cycle.

Stop it and rest and rejuice with somethink that I think is better??

Your second cycle looks even worse than your first. Your dick is going to be useless to you for that entire 5 months. Also I've never heard of a newbie juicer going on his not quite 2nd cycle for 18 weeks. That is up there with some pro bodybuilders and I doubt you are one...

Sorry if I seem so harsh but this whole thread is riduculous with all sorts of misinformation on mr diesels behalf. Please read up before you do anything else.

BTW How old are you?

[DieselGUY]

OK OK I got it................... I fucked up so insted of teling me that I fucked up help me decide what to do.......... there my info again.... I'm 20 5'9 220LBS 12.8 BF..... I have done Test Enanthate 250MG for three weeks and I stoped cause I didn't like it right after I took Deca 200MG 3 time a week for 4 weeks this is gonna be the fith week......... so help me move on from here and if you can't help, please don't even post cuase yes I know I fucked up.

[BiggerStronger]

Ok diesel

A few tips when trying to cycle. First you usually want a Testosterone to be the base of your cycle. This is true 95% of the time and a must for your first few. Once you learn about the effects of each drug and how your body reacts to some of them you may create something a little more fitting to your needs.

A couple of good bulker cycles to start with are:

1. 10 Weeks Total
Dbol ~30mg per day Weeks 1-4
500mg/week Test Enanth or Test Cyp Weeks 1-10
EQ 400mg per week Weeks 1-10

2. 10 Weeks Total
Dbol ~30mg per day Weeks 1-4
500mg/week Test Enanth or Test Cyp Weeks 1-10
Deca 400mg per week Weeks 1-10

Now remember you don't want giant tits like Pam Anderson so you better get your self some ancillaries or "Anti-E's" as we call them. A good one to use throughout your cycle is liquidex. This will also keep bloat down. If you start to feel sensitivity, pain, or feel any small lumps under your nipple you should start taking Nolvadex at 50-75 mg per day until the soreness goes away.

It is very important that you get everything for your cycle first before starting it especially anti-e's. Also its a good idea to get liver and lipid tests throughout your cycle especially if your are running any 17aa Orals like D-bol. 17aa Oral Steriods can damage your liver if not taken properly. Its good to take ALA and milk thistle when cycling. If you have any additional questions go ahead and post them. I'll try to answer any questions you have.

[Submission1]

230 w/ 10 lbs of fat would put you at ~4.4% bf. That would be freakin' ripped like the pros. 4.4% is going to take a LOT of discipline.

A LBM (lean body mass) of 220 would put you at 244 w/ 10% bf which is very realistic and achievable.

-Sub.

[DieselGUY]

Originally posted by Submission1
230 w/ 10 lbs of fat would put you at ~4.4% bf. That would be freakin' ripped like the pros. 4.4% is going to take a LOT of discipline.

A LBM (lean body mass) of 220 would put you at 244 w/ 10% bf which is very realistic and achievable.

-Sub.

So you know my stats now and I have planty of time to get there but I would like to get some help from you and advice if you can give me on getting there. Im 220 now with 12.8%BF witch puts me at 192 so how do I gain 28LBS and keep my fat down???

[rado]

Originally posted by saturn
Well if you decide to make another run at it I would get all your gear and anti-es and so a conservative cycle like.
1-10 test enan 500mg/week
1-10 deca 400mg/week
If you want to kick it off with dbol you could throw in 35mg ed for weeks 1-4

Your first cycle ramping up to 1g of test is way to much for a first. Start a 500mg and stay there for the cycle. Run your deca the entire time also.

Your second cycle running the deca without test is not a good idea and starting dbols in the middle dosn't make sense. You want the dbol to kick start the cycle and the winny in the last 4 weeks to harden up at the end of the cycle. Also I think the second cycle is way to long.

well said kid

like the post

[prolangtum]

You will be very hard pressed to put on 28 lbs of lean mass on any cycle, especially without upping bf% a bit. Steroids arent magic, even "if" you know what your doing.......

[prolangtum]

FYI, no more threads titled all natural, you arent anymore.

[DieselGUY]

Originally posted by saturn
Well if you decide to make another run at it I would get all your gear and anti-es and so a conservative cycle like.
1-10 test enan 500mg/week
1-10 deca 400mg/week
If you want to kick it off with dbol you could throw in 35mg ed for weeks 1-4

OK so now im gonna be off till October and run this cycle.... Im thinking should I up the dose a little............. insted of taking 400ML of Deca and 500ML of Test a week would it hurt to take 600ML of Deca and 750ML of Test a week with 30ML of Dboll a day for the first 4 weeks??????????? And yes you can tell me what to do as if it was an order........ also what kind of Anti-E should I take and how many of them for how long and when???

[prolangtum]

Originally posted by DieselGUY
OK so now im gonna be off till October and run this cycle.... Im thinking should I up the dose a little............. insted of taking 400ML of Deca and 500ML of Test a week would it hurt to take 600ML of Deca and 750ML of Test a week with 30ML of Dboll a day for the first 4 weeks??????????? And yes you can tell me what to do as if it was an order........ also what kind of Anti-E should I take and how many of them for how long and when???

This will be your first real cycle.
Why not just good old Test only at 500mgs? If anything, add Deca, but I would rather see Test only. No need for dbol at this point.

Test only, i would do arimidex the first time around, just to see how your body reacts. You can always drop it later, as I found out in later cycles. Try with .25mg eod. If you look like a blowfish up it to .25mg ed. I wouldnt go past that. If nips are itchy and very sore, then you will need to start soem nolvadex during the cycle. Have enough for 20mg ed, just in case, but dont take them unless you need them. Have clomid for post cycle, grab about 30 of them, or at least 1,500mg in liquid form. You can try nolvadex or a combo later on, but we want to cover the basic bases here.

[DieselGUY]

Should I take the test injections one time a week 500ML or should I take them twice a week 250ML each???? Wich will work better????

[THE JUICE]

[prolangtum]

Doesnt make too much of a difference. I woudl take week 1's Test all in one day, then 2x a week starting week 2.