Tren and Kidney/Liver Toxicity

[mfdvr]

Wow is there a lot of conflicting information on this issue. Some say tren is not C17 alkylated an not liver toxic, others say it is VERY liver toxic. Some piss blood on tren, other sources say there is no evidence of kidney toxicity. Can anyone chime in on this issue? Anyone ever run AST/ALT bloods or creatinine while on Tren A?

[DEE151]

Re: Tren and Kidney/Liver Toxicity

just run the tren

[BABY1]

Re: Tren and Kidney/Liver Toxicity

just run the tren

or don't, if this concerns you that much

[sensitivenips]

Re: Tren and Kidney/Liver Toxicity

the way i see it is the more androgenic a compound is the tuffer it is on the liver. test can raise liver enzymes, and tren is said to be 5 X stronger than test, mix the 2 and your putting quite the stress on the liver. this is one of the reasons why i do "cycles," so the amount of stress put on our organs from large dosages of hormones can recoup. kidneys typically become an issue when someones not consuming enough water, but this goes for anything.

[TexSon]

Re: Tren and Kidney/Liver Toxicity

found this on the net and posted it in TEXSON'S WORLD forum.

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/f400/trenbolone-liver-toxicity-112324.html#post1079379

[TexSon]

Re: Tren and Kidney/Liver Toxicity

I have personally abused the f*ck out of acetate and enanthate, all the while having complete blood work done every 4 months, and never had a problem except for cholesterol levels, which tren is notorious for messing up.

my tren cycles last years.

[sensitivenips]

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found this on the net and posted it in TEXSON'S WORLD forum.

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/f...ml#post1079379

is this another one of those posts where you end up doing a few measly minutes of research to come back around and say "OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUSNESS NIPS IS RIIIIIGHT!!!"

[mfdvr]

Re: Tren and Kidney/Liver Toxicity

found this on the net and posted it in TEXSON'S WORLD forum.

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/f...ml#post1079379

Sounds like it's the BA that's the bad news, not the tren. Seems tren has a mystique around everything about it from effects to risks, just and observation....

[TexSon]

Re: Tren and Kidney/Liver Toxicity

Sounds like it's the BA that's the bad news, not the tren. Seems tren has a mystique around everything about it from effects to risks, just and observation....

your right, mfdvr.l..tren has always had that mystigue an intrigue about it.

but toxic...not happening.

no injectibles that I know of. well, not the standards, anyway.

.

[sensitivenips]

Re: Tren and Kidney/Liver Toxicity

your right, mfdvr.l..tren has always had that mystigue an intrigue about it.

but toxic...not happening.

no injectibles that I know of. well, not the standards, anyway.

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dudes come on now, lets take a moment and put our thinking caps on with the label "common sense." ok good, now there have been blood tests reporting elevated liver enzymes in cycles utilizing palpable test dosages. so, if we use logic and reason with prior knowledge in this thread one could extend this basis onto trenbolone making a rational conclusion that tren would elevate liver enzymes much more wouldnt you agree?

but lets extend this ideology with the response level of each individual utilizing test, and that response level regarding ranges in elevated liver enzymes is varied bc our bodies all respond differently, in other words no two bodies respond exactly the same. so this would mean some individuals may have elevated liver enzymes, and some may not. therefore we can make an assumption regarding trenbolone to the extent of the variables previously mentioned that some may see increases in liver enzymes and some may not.

[Pellethead]

Re: Tren and Kidney/Liver Toxicity

I've always been one to push the limits, but I flex i all directions: health being the center. I think and believe our community at FG may run deep on the wonderful world of tren, but we also run deep in healthy habits. Compared to the average dude working in a foundry/steel mill like a slave, breathing toxic air and eating with little regard for healthy diet. I chose our way!

[BigDawg]

I too have run tren extended cycles for last several years and my only health issue has been my lipid profile. Tren does mess with those and the Adex makes my hdl nosedive. Liver enzymes and creatinine levels never worrisome to my old doc. Aside from the complaint from my wife that my urine smells awful on tren kidneys always ok as well.

[TexSon]

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Aside from the complaint from my wife that my urine smells awful on tren kidneys always ok as well.

quit peeing on her.

prob solved.

[TexSon]

Re: Tren and Kidney/Liver Toxicity

dudes come on now, lets take a moment and put our thinking caps on with the label "common sense." ok good, now there have been blood tests reporting elevated liver enzymes in cycles utilizing palpable test dosages. so, if we use logic and reason with prior knowledge in this thread one could extend this basis onto trenbolone making a rational conclusion that tren would elevate liver enzymes much more wouldnt you agree?

but lets extend this ideology with the response level of each individual utilizing test, and that response level regarding ranges in elevated liver enzymes is varied bc our bodies all respond differently, in other words no two bodies respond exactly the same. so this would mean some individuals may have elevated liver enzymes, and some may not. therefore we can make an assumption regarding trenbolone to the extent of the variables previously mentioned that some may see increases in liver enzymes and some may not.

what'd he say?


kiddin.

I got it nips....voodoo.

steroids are voodoo. nothing new there. biochemistry of each individual and the way it will react to any given substance is always....well, voodoo.

still, there are generalities that apply, and in regards to tren....dude, the verdict is in - been in a long time ago.

trenbolone + liver toxicity = na ga happen.



but, here is another take on the matter - the f'ing butt loads of high dollar, tax dollar I might add, tests the government has compiled, and again, butt loads on the topic of feed efficiency.



bare with me here.

in other words - beef feeds the masses and is important to the well being of this country.

given this fact, you have the cattle industry, whose main concern is cost vs return on investment.

in other words, how much will a cattleman earn from the sale of a cow versus how much it cost to feed him.


I know what your thinking - fk, tex.....wtf are you talking about.


about this - massive studies have been done on trenbolone by our government on behalf of the cattle industry, and its been done at prohibitive costs involving some of the finest minds around.

feeding the people of this nation is a far greater matter to the trenbolone industry than how big nips biceps are.

I've read a good deal of this documentation for a few different reasons and I can tell you that in no given instance within these white papers did they ever mention any physical abnormalities in the cattle whatsoever. not in blood chemistry, muscle fiber construction, kidneys, liver, tendon ailments....nothing.

granted, this is cattle, not humans...still, it supports the idea that trenbolone, as a steroid, given for increase in lean muscle mass is a fairly innocuous compound.


and just like the creatine stories, so you will have the trenbolone stories.


remember - trenbolone's #1 use in this country is cattle related.



its all there under the department of argricultures archives if anyone is interested.

[mfdvr]

Re: Tren and Kidney/Liver Toxicity

This thread is a perfect example of how great this board is. I pose a question, and within hours get educated points of view from all sides based on science and personal experience. Thanks all at FG!