Toremifene for PCT

[mfdvr]

Hi all,
I've got PCT coming up in a week coming off an 11 week test and mast p cycle. I've got toremifene and clomid on hand. Question....I'm leaning toward the toremifene for PCT as I've heard good things (lipids, recovery speed etc). I know clomid is more "tried and true" but I've also heard the sides are worse...Could you all share your experiences/recommendations on the best bet for a smooth and effective pct with either/both of these chems?
Thanks!
mfdvr

[DieselXT]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

Im new to this all....thats my honest input but what ive been told really nothing beats the proved method of nolva and clomid.......A trainer did tell me this though
clomid and nolva are old shit torem is where its at...I dont know but Id still do the tried and tested method

[Diggler28]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

Many are using tore in the place of nolva. Use clomid and tore. Think of it as one picking up the slack of the other.

[mfdvr]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

Thanks All,

Here is my PCT protocol then, let me know what you think
Cycle end is considered "Day 1"

At day 1, start HCG at 2500 iu per week split into two doses (1250 ea) for two weeks (5000 iu HCG total) while the long esters of the sust are clearing. I'll run exemestane at 25 mg eod as well.


At day 16, start Torem and run it 120/120/120/90/90/90/90 for the first week
Then 60/60/30 for the remaining 3 weeks. Exemestane will be on hand but I don't plan on taking it unless necessary.....

Any input/critiques on this are greatly appreciated!!

[DieselXT]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

BUMPPPPP

[Guest]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

BUMPPPPP

You should NEVER run HCG for pct.HCG is best used DURING your cycle to help with pct.Here's a great read on HCG for you to check out brother............

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/f129/hcg-during-cycle-103844.html

[BICEPBULG]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

I'm using Torem. Has some great benefits of helping the prostate also. I hearing nothing but good things.

[DieselXT]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

I'm using Torem. Has some great benefits of helping the prostate also. I hearing nothing but good things.

whats your pct like?

[DieselXT]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

You should NEVER run HCG for pct.HCG is best used DURING your cycle to help with pct.Here's a great read on HCG for you to check out brother............

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/f...le-103844.html

Fist I have saved te PCT you gave lol...but have you ever used TOREM?

[Guest]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

Here's another great read on pct.........

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/f129/nolvadex-clomid-hcg-post-cycle-therapy-pct-111190.html

[mfdvr]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

You should NEVER run HCG for pct.HCG is best used DURING your cycle to help with pct.Here's a great read on HCG for you to check out brother............

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/f...le-103844.html

Thanks for the input. I am going to run HCG during the cycle next time. I'm running HCG while the sust esters are clearing so I guess I'm not considering that PCT, am I wrong on that? My thinking is that with the sust, my test levels will be above normal levels for at least two weeks after last injection and the HCG will get the boys back on board while the test decreases to normal levels. Then when I get to normal levels, the toremifene will start (No HCG), and kick the LH levels back up to take over where the HCG left off....I've heard so many theories on this, hard to tell where to start....

[mfdvr]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

One last thought.....will running HCG during every cycle desensitize the leydig cells to LH over time and be a bad idea?

[sofargone561]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

never used it or done much researcfh on it

[DieselXT]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

what do you guys think I found this

wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days)
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED

First I read the torem is in place of the clomid but also I am now reading torem acts like clomid???

[mfdvr]

Re: Toremifene for PCT

Thanks pantera, looks like torem is the winner:-)