Solid Gains vs No gains

[maximus_pecs]

A friend and myself decided earlier this year to start our first cycles. We have been working out for 6 years straighthave made great gains naturally until about 2 years ago when we both hit a wall. We both played with diet and workout routines but nothing really made a large differance.

So after quite a bot of research for 6 months we decided to turn to the juice to bulk up. I have listed our stats and cycles below.

Me
Age 29
Height 5'9
Weight 209 Currently(10 weeks in to cycle) 185 prior to cycle
BF ~12%(10 weeks in to cycle and prior ot cycle)

Cycle
week 1-4 30mg D-Bol ED
week 1-15 400mg QV Test Cyp
week 1-15 400mg QV Eq
week 1-15 HCG 500iu twice week each week
week 16-17 HCG 2500iu spreadout through week
Liquidex at .5 mg ed
Nolva on hand for post cycle and gyno.

Friend
Age 23
Height 5'10
Weight 205 Currently(7 weeks in to cycle) 205 prior to cycle
BF ~10% prior to cycle not sure 7 weeks into cycle

Cycle
week 1-15 400mg QV Test Cyp
week 1-15 400mg QV Eq
week 16-17 HCG 2500iu spreadout through week
Nolva on hand for post cycle and gyno.

We both consume similar diets. I won't go into detail but if you have questions please ask.
Protein 300-350 grams day
Carbs 400-600 grams day
Fat 40-100 grams day

This is divided into about 8 meals a day

I'm in my 10th week have gone form 185 to 209 and my strength is through the roof. It was noticable to me the secoind week obviously because of the D-Bol, but just continued once I completed the D-Bol. My weight has held steady for the past 2 weeks but I have lost a considerable amount of fat but strength continues to go up.

Where things get interesting is my friend is in his 7th week and has gained 3 pounds and his strength is exactly the same. He has some bloat in the stomach area but that is all he has noticed.

Its safe to day that my friend is a bit disappointed in his results so i promised him I'd post this so you guys can take a look. Any ideas on why hes not making any gains?

BTW the gear is legit as we know the source very well and we have the same batch numbers. everything from the holograms/wrapping is identical and everything is inline to everything that I have read about legit QV gear.

[rado]

sounds like a mystery to me, other than maybe the gear was fake, but you did say that your's was real,

For 7 weeks into it and nothing from it, weird. If your saying that the both of you are eating the same amounts of stuff too....hmm...maybe someone else has a better view than I do, that sucks though...

[maximus_pecs]

Yeah its really confusing considering that I have gaind 29 pounds in 10 week and he has gained nothing. I'm sure the gear is real as we know the source VERY well and he is local as well. Another thing is that he has the sides of test such as bloat and has atrophy of the testes, but no gains at all. I really wish someone could shed some insgiht here. the only thing i can think of is increase the dosage. Other then that I'm lost here.

[rado]

and welcome to FG...

[maximus_pecs]

Thanks Rado! I'm glad I found this board there is a lot of good information here.

[##spiderbaby##]

Switch gear. Give him your if you have any left and take his. If everything you say is correct then he has fake gear. there ios no way you can take that, eat well and workout and not grow.

[rado]

Originally posted by ##spiderbaby##
Switch gear. Give him your if you have any left and take his. If everything you say is correct then he has fake gear. there ios no way you can take that, eat well and workout and not grow.

yea good point too, didn't think of it that way..:p

[maximus_pecs]

My thoughts exactly! He should be growing. The thing is he shouldn't be showing side effects on fake gear. I say I know the gear is real as 1. all holograms/batch numbers/packiging is correct and matches what everyone on the board and other say you should find on QV products. 2. All of our gears was purchased at the same time and place with identical batch batch numbers and dates.

[MYRICK]

yeah bro sounds to me likehe got some bogus stuff

[rado]

Originally posted by maximus_pecs
Thanks Rado! I'm glad I found this board there is a lot of good information here.

no problem, great board too. You'll love it here. And wait till you see the more features they are about to add, WOO-HOO

[maximus_pecs]

If it is bogus how do you explain the sides? Bloat and atrophy of the testes can't be mental.

[MYRICK]

i just dont know bro just seems to me like in 7 weks he would hae gained more than 3 pounds in water weight but thats just my .02

[maximus_pecs]

I gained roughly 20 pounds by the 7th week. Although I did jump start the cycle with DBol. this is a real mystery for both of us. He has more gear so he is going to start using a new bottle today but like I said befire the sides are still there so we both doubt that it is fake gear.

[MYRICK]

could be underdosed would that explain the sides and no gains i dont really know maybe someone who knows more can help u out im going into my 3rd weekof qv enath 500mgs a week ad up until my sick spell this weekend ive put on roughly 9 pounds but like i said mostly water if not all, thats why i think he should have gained more than 3 pounds in water weight alone

[34pumped]

welcome to the board bro and my first cycle 21 pds and keep it on qv cyp 400 mg a weeek