Fina cycle...Bromo the whole way through?

[Rome]

i just read this

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3107&highlight=bromo+dose

and was thinking that since im ordering bromo "just in case" for my fina/winny cycle, why not just run it the whole way through?

well not exactly the whole way..prolly after 2-3 weeks on so it due to shipping time... looks like this

fina ed 75mg wks 1-8
winny eod 75mg wks 1-8
bromo 1.25mg ed wk 3
2.5mg ed wks 4-5
4mg edwks 6-7
5mg ed wks 8-10(or until out or feel like i dont want anymore heh)
clomid post cycle

nyc and clen. prolly just 2 weeks of each.

despite all the cutting agents i plan on eatting like a horse to retain muscle(3g of protein per pound atleast, 2g carbs)

[Rome]

bump

[prolangtum]

i don think Bromo is necassary, i would rather spend money on some test prop.

[Rome]

test is out of the question damn people, there is nothing that mentions test. i appreciate it but this doesnt answer my question.


many others think bromo is good to have around. i definetly dont want ***** tits.


i guess my question is if i take the bromo all the way through, it should protect any fina tits and help cut fat like on the faq, right?

[prolangtum]

Originally posted by Rome
test is out of the question damn people, there is nothing that mentions test. i appreciate it but this doesnt answer my question.


many others think bromo is good to have around. i definetly dont want ***** tits.


i guess my question is if i take the bromo all the way through, it should protect any fina tits and help cut fat like on the faq, right?

Ok,
no need to be a prick about it. Sounds like your going to run Bromo anyway, so whats your question then? Do you want a pat on the back?

[prolangtum]

Courtesy of Nandi:

Progestins & Gyno
Before you decide that blocking progesterone is the solution to gyno, consider a few things. There is not one case of progesterone induced gyno in the medical literature EXCEPT in those cases where strong synthetic progestins, like medroxyprogesterone, were administered. In these cases the gyno is due to suppression of LH and testosterone by the progestin, NOT by a direct effect on breast tissue. On a cycle your LH is already suppressed by the AAS anyway.

Breasts have two components: alveoli and ducts. The alveoli are what secrete milk; they drain into ducts. Gynecomastia is the result of ductal hyperplasia, not alveolar hyperplasia. Estrogen stimulates the ductal tissue, while progesterone stimulates the alveoli. Alveolar hyperplasia does not contribute to gyno. If you want to read more on breast development, I suggest visiting this site:

http://www.endotext.org/male/male14/male14.htm

In various tissues throughout the body, including cultured neoplastic breast tissue, progestins downregulate the estrogen receptor (1). Progesterone receptor blockers like RU-486 upregulate the estrogen receptor (1). This is consistent with the fact that RU-486 CAUSES gyno in patients in whom it is used to treat Cushing's disease and meningiomas (2).

Progestins are also anti-estrogenic in that they induce the enzyme 17-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, which catalyzes the oxidation of estradiol to the less potent estrone. Progestins also induce estrogen sulfotransferase, the enzyme which catalyzes the sulfation and inactivation of estrogens.

So do progestins contribute to gyno, and if yes, how so? If you visit the link above you will see that progestins increase IGF-1 levels. As that article indicated, IGF-1 is essential to the the development of mammary tissue. This is also how it is believed that progestins in HRT or oral contraceptives contribute to breast cancer: by increasing IGF-1 levels. But as bodybuilders we are always trying to maximize IGF-1. Hence the futility of trying to lower IGF-1 by blocking progestins. The other anabolics we use will elevate (hopefully) IGF-1, while blocking the progesterone receptor will only increase the levels and activity of estrogen by the mechanisms outlined above.

Two drugs have shown the greatest efficacy in treating gyno: Nolvadex, and Raloxifene, another SERM. Nolvadex has the longest track record, but a recent trial with Raloxifene showed it to be superior to Nolvadex. With these drugs you attack the problem at its source: the estrogen receptor. You get the added benefit of lowering IGF-1. Not a good thing for making gains, but important for treating gyno.

(1) Int J Biol Markers 1995 Jan-Mar;10(1):47-54
Progesterone agonists and antagonists induce down- and up-regulation of estrogen receptors and estrogen inducible genes in human breast cancer cell lines.

(2) J Neurosurg 1991 Jun;74(6):861-6
Treatment of unresectable meningiomas with the antiprogesterone agent mifepristone.
Grunberg SM, Weiss MH, Spitz IM, Ahmadi J, Sadun A, Russell CA, Lucci L, Stevenson LL.
Department of Neurosurgery, University of Southern California School of Medicine, Los Angeles.

[Rome]

duno ive been researching fina pretty hardcore and asking alot of questions, bromo keeps coming up in every thread as what to to take to combat fina gyno

i am simply asking on opinions about this. test prop is only out of the question due to borders not being too nice right now....trust i would of stacked with this if i could get it

[prolangtum]

The only reason it keeps coming up, is beacuse people repeat what they hear. If you did a search on Elite, the majority of people just blab what they have heard. Very, very few have gotten gyno from Tren, more thna likely it was soemthing else that has caused it. Bromo's sides have been untolerable bt some, and the human trials as far as fat loss go, dont come close to what they should, it looks greta on paper but real world results havent been favorable. Border problems? Make some TNE or some Test Prop form Synovex H. You can make 8g for roughly $100. Not shabby at all.

[Rome]

yeah i was researching those powders...wasnt too sure on how legit they were/easy to make. ill do more when i get home later.

for now this was one thread i looked at... i did 90% of my research here, 10% on gotfina

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7095

[prolangtum]

If you re-read my post from Nandi above, progesterone attributes to gyno by raising igf-1 levels. Nolvadex lowers igf-1 levels. Voila, theres your progesterone cure. Take it form someone who ran Tren/Deca/Anadrol/Test. I should have had progestrone tits in no time. A little nolva and I was fine.

[Only1eagle]

Bromo IS needed if you are prone to gyno!

I am on week 5 of fina/winny.
No gyno whatsoever but have bromo on hand just in case.

ALSO you are friking crazy man! 4-5mg ed? Man!I took 1/4 od a 2.5mg tab and if I ever took id daily I would not go over 2.5mg a day

[WarbirdWS6]

Originally posted by Only1eagle
Bromo IS needed if you are prone to gyno!

I am on week 5 of fina/winny.
No gyno whatsoever but have bromo on hand just in case.

ALSO you are friking crazy man! 4-5mg ed? Man!I took 1/4 od a 2.5mg tab and if I ever took id daily I would not go over 2.5mg a day

i'm gyno prone as a mofo, and i'm taking 5mg bromo and at least 20mg nolva maybe 40mg during a deca/anadrol cycle i have planned. bet your ass. but you can take 1.25-5mg a day. depends on individual.

[Rome]

well i figured i would build a tolerance to it pretty fast as i do other meds.

kinda like clen where you gradually increase the dose... thus why i am starting out small..


why did you say you dont think you could take more than that? what were your sides?

the clen/nyc i was thinking would keep my body temp in check

[Rome]

hey only1eagle hows that cycle working for you bro? whats your doses like? was it as you expected? better? worse? lemme know bro =)

[Rome]

bump =D