Water Retention with Test E

[6p6]

It's a good discussion boss, no worries...

[Ezskanken]

Re: Water Retention with Test E

Have you ever used an AI on you past cycles? Only reason why I ask is because I have a buddy who's love the juice, and he never takes an AI...ever! Even though he doesn't follow up to date protocol, he is healthy as can be...

[Auriflex]

I've found that I only bloat if my diet goes sideways, is yours on target prince?

[overburdened]

Re: Water Retention with Test E

Seriously?!?!?!
I'm not retaining water from test E AND I've been running it from *** for over 12 weeks now at 800mg w

Some people really don't hold much water off test.. and some hold a ton....
it is probably estro (estrogen, e2, estradiol... to make it clear for OP) in his case, but may also be related to diet... I hold some, but not too much(as long as I take nolva daily, and an AI when absolutely necessary... I don't try to clear e2 to super low levels, as it hampers my gains and screws with my cholesterol.. unless I am dieting)
OP's water retention could also be related to progesterone, but that usually presents its effects with nipple puffiness before it makes 'total body' waterlog.... also, he is taking winny(which, for me, counteracts progesterone to a great degree.. as it does in a lot of people... but some people do not respond as well as others..)

given the 'perceived' lack of knowledge of OP, it is probably greatly due to diet... and to a small degree, due to excess e2, or progestin...

[overburdened]

Re: Water Retention with Test E

Currently taking test e and tren ace and have about 5 weeks left in my cycle. I just added some winny in the mix that I had left over to help finish off my cycle. Now on hand i have some nolva and clomid for my pct. My bloating is starting to piss me off since i'm starting to retain some water in the nipple area. I have some "water shed" diuretics on hand...will this help my water problem at all or a little bit? I know usually you drink more water to retain less and thats what i have been doing lately...but since test e makes you carry more water is that a bad approach? Also if i took a small doasage of nolva for a bit would that help? But at the same time that would also hinder my gains correct? Damn you water retention!!

diuretics are for shedding water... and they are nearly completely ineffective at 'hormonal' based water retention... and it surely will not help with nipple puffiness(except for a day or two... you are only covering the symptoms of the problem, not aiding in reducing/eliminating the problem)

out of anything you could take, the nolva will affect your gains the least!!! and it will have the most profound effect on nipple puffiness... but you need to follow a full protocol for antagonizing the ER/PR receptor(to shrink the puffiness), then lower total estrogen and any possible progestin(prolactin) that may also be floating around...

This is what I would recommend to a friend if he were having these issues, as I would not want my friend to have to have gyno surgically removed until/unless he is willing and ready to do so:

nolva(dose twice daily)(you didn't list dose of test, so I cannot tell you exactly how much nolva you may need to 'counteract' your issue, but if you have a decent amount of puffiness, I would begin at about 15-20mg twice daily... total daily dose: 30-40mg)... I've found twice daily dosing of nolva to 'work better'... the pdr does list half life of nolva(in women) at 5-7 days... but as we know with many things, especially hormones and ancillaries.. men metabolize them MUCH more quickly...

caber: .5mg eod(until symptoms seem to subside a little), then you can drop to .5 mg twice weekly... when puffiness is gone, you can reduce dose to .25mg twice weekly if you wish..

aromasin(or letro).. as rockshawn said, adex is a little hard to find legit sources at the moment
aromasin: 25mg twice daily(till puffiness is gone, then you can drop to either 12.5 or 6.25 eod) I would continue the AI through pct at this point, so you don't get rebound gyno(aromasin would be absolute best choice, since it is a suicidal aromatase inhibitor you will not get rebound gyno from it, as is possible with letro)

testosteroneyou can choose to try this or not, works WELL for me, and everyone I have told to try it that did try it... I've done it before when I didn't have nolva or and AI on hand to help with the puffiness) You can take a little extra test while you are waiting for the AI that you will have to order to show up(go ahead and start the nolva, and do this if you wish... post your 'feedback' if you do try this.. a lot of people don't think this would work and are 'scared' to try it...) a short ester(prop) will work best, but if all you have is test e, then you can do it with it.. just takes a few days to notice it working) I use short esters(mostly), so I will add 50mg/day or 50mg eod, to what dose I'm already taking...... for test e, you can add 100mg twice weekly(you can do just 50mg extra twice weekly, but it helps a lot more if you add 100 twice weekly)
the theory behind this: e2(estrogen) sides are somewhat ratio dependent(test/estro ratio), nipple puffiness is more dependent on this ratio than may other sides(as test is 5a reduced to DHT, which is a POTENT anti-estrogen!!! it can displace estrogen from ER(estrogen receptor) in the mammary gland quite well(hence the reason masteron works quite well as an e2 antagonist)

One other thing... you didn't mention when you started taking winny, in regard to how it correlated with nipple puffiness.... your winny may not actually be winny... methyltest is about the cheapest orally available aas, so it is often used in 'fake' oral steroids, that actually have a real aas in them, just not the one you think you are taking
if your winny is methyltest, it is being aromatized into the far more powerful 'methylestradiol'.... you may want to try halting your winny administration and see if that helps or not... Just a thought..

[dirtwarrior]

Re: Water Retention with Test E

great post