**cycle help**

[got_pinz]

probably just stick with 40mg to start...

[prolangtum]

If i go higher than 30mgs, i cant raise back up after bending over to tie my shoes, but then again, im a big cooch.

[got_pinz]

thats why my shoes dont have laces!!!

[tgutz]

hey pinz - a little off subject, what did you gain on your first cycle - the omnadren/anadrol? 5'8", what was your start weight?

also in reference to the 40-50mg of dbol, did you guys mean you cant get back up from tying your shoes on that big of a dose because youd big too friggin huge?!

[got_pinz]

hey tgutz..my first cycle went from 160 to 195 and ended up at 190...and my second started at 190 went to 222..sitting at 214-216ish been lucky and never had dropped much weight after cycle.....the other thing is back gets sore from kidney pain ecspecially if you do deadlifts...i didnt have any pain at all...