After much info test only first cycle.Thanx

[dejansen]

Originally posted by pappapump
Thanx bro I got a couple related ? about the subject. Does enath/cyp usually come in amps or like 10ml bottles. How much nolva should I have on hand,and is Eq simular to deca

Depending on the brand, test enan. and cyp. may come in amps but I'm not sure. I know QV test comes in 10ml bottles.

If you're using Nolva to combat gyno symptoms, you'll want to use 40mgs a day until the symptoms disappear and then 20mgs a day until the end of your cycle. You might also do 20mgs eod throughout your cycle from day 1 to help prevent the symptoms from ever showing. So you should have at least one 50ml vial, maybe two. You could always use it with Clomid or on its own during your post-cycle therapy.

Don't know if EQ is similiar to Deca but I don't think so. They're commonly stacked with Test. I think EQ is more for lean gains and Deca is for mass. I also think EQ might be a little easier on the body.

[pappapump]

You say to have a 50ml vial of nolva- ins't a vial like a liquid bottle

[HeHateMe]

Originally posted by dejansen
By the way, I was planning to do 400mg/week of Test cyp. and 400mg/week of EQ for my first cycle. But a friend who knew my age (35) suggested I might want to do 600mg/week since my natural test levels may be lower than the majority of this forum. He's got a point and I plan to do 600mg. I'm 6' and 200lbs and this might be a bit larger than some of the guys I see posting on here. You're five years younger than me and I'm not sure which studies to believe about when and how much natural test levels recede. In the end, I'm going to heed my bro's advice and do 600mg to make sure I make the most of my first cycle. I'm not saying you should do the same. You can make up your own mind. Just thought I'd throw that in.

600 mg of cyp along with 400mg EQ for a first timer seems like a bit of overkill to me. Especially so when taking into consideration you're only 200 lbs.

If you're concerned about recovery/low test levels post-cycle, just add in some HCG during and at the end before clomid and you'll be fine.

[dejansen]

Originally posted by HeHateMe
600 mg of cyp along with 400mg EQ for a first timer seems like a bit of overkill to me. Especially so when taking into consideration you're only 200 lbs.

If you're concerned about recovery/low test levels post-cycle, just add in some HCG during and at the end before clomid and you'll be fine.

You think so? I'm not talking about low test levels post-cycle. What I mean is that my natural test levels are probably lower than the 25 yr olds doing 400mg of Test a week and getting great gains. So it was suggested to me that I may need more Test than them since I'm 35 and my natural test levels may be on the downhill slope.

[dejansen]

Originally posted by pappapump
You say to have a 50ml vial of nolva- ins't a vial like a liquid bottle

Well, you can buy the liquid version for research purposes.

[JohnnyB]

Go with enan or cyp at 500mg

JohnnyB

[HeHateMe]

Originally posted by dejansen
You think so? I'm not talking about low test levels post-cycle. What I mean is that my natural test levels are probably lower than the 25 yr olds doing 400mg of Test a week and getting great gains. So it was suggested to me that I may need more Test than them since I'm 35 and my natural test levels may be on the downhill slope.

It doesn't matter if you're 20 yrs old or 40 years old, on a typical cycle one's natural test is pretty much shut down to the same degree. The gains you make on a cycle are from the exogenous test/other steroids. You're naturally produced test has very negligible effects, if any, while on. Unless you're using something like anavar or primo at reasonable doses, in which case, not as much shut down may occur. Thus, you're natural test levels would have some effect.

Recovery for someone 30+ may be more of an issue than it would be for a spry, young, 24 yr old such as myself.

The harder you're shut down (in which case larger amounts/certain steroids aka deca MAY shut you down to a greater degree), the more difficult recovery may become. In your case, recovery should be a primary concern if you plan on keeping the majority of your gains.

My advice is to start off with something simple (i.e. test cyp or enthanate @ 500mg/wk).

[dejansen]

Originally posted by HeHateMe
It doesn't matter if you're 20 yrs old or 40 years old, on a typical cycle one's natural test is pretty much shut down to the same degree. The gains you make on a cycle are from the exogenous test/other steroids. You're naturally produced test has very negligible effects, if any, while on. Unless you're using something like anavar or primo at reasonable doses, in which case, not as much shut down may occur. Thus, you're natural test levels would have some effect.

Recovery for someone 30+ may be more of an issue than it would be for a spry, young, 24 yr old such as myself.

The harder you're shut down (in which case larger amounts/certain steroids aka deca MAY shut you down to a greater degree), the more difficult recovery may become. In your case, recovery should be a primary concern if you plan on keeping the majority of your gains.

My advice is to start off with something simple (i.e. test cyp or enthanate @ 500mg/wk).

I see your point. Thanks for the info.

[DiamondBling]

You will get better gains with 500mg of Cyp or Enan rather than 500mg of Sust a week.

[prolangtum]

Cyp or Ethanate all the way!!

Im glad we got it through your head, seemed like you were deadset on Deca only first.

[pappapump]

What advantges to doing Cyp/ Eth compaired to doing sustanon

[prolangtum]

Well Sust every 4 days somewhat defeats the purpose of sust. The reason i would use sust, is to take advantage of the propionate and pheynlpropionate, and shoot it eod. Too much for a first cycle, plus Ethanate and cypionate are cheaper, and less painful. A high amount of BA plus the propionate ester, tend to make sustanon more painful.

[pappapump]

so what u are saying is that i would have to shot the sust eod to get the full effect,so how about enth/cyp how offen and how much should i shoot up

[pappapump]

does drinking alcohol effect the use of roids in any way?
i have a bad back so i take percocet daily, will this contradict with roids in any way?