Help Me Decide Please!!!!!

[HeHateMe]

ok, I've narrowed it down to one of two cycles:

Cycle One:
Deca 300mg/wk/10 wks (QV)
Equipoise 350mg/wk/10 wks (Ft. Dodge/Ultragan)

Cycle Two:
Equipoise 400mg/wk/12 wks (Ft. Dodge)
Test Cypionate 250 mg/wk/10 wks (QV)

HCG mid cycle wk 5-6, maybe 2 wks post-cycle as well before clomid
Clomid/Nolva as usual at the end

This will be my second go 'round. First was Deca @ 450 mg/10 wks. Gained approximately 13 lbs.

Please don't say add this or add that, I've finally narrowed it down to one of these two. Doses may seem a bit low, but I responded quite well to low dosages the first time. Right now, I'm 5'11 205. I'm pretty lean at the moment, BF is less than 10 %. I'm looking to gain 15 lbs or so, before going straight into an anavar bridge (20-30mg day) with clen and ECA.

All thoughts and opinions welcome.

[VveTTe917]

2 is better. But up the test to 500mg.

[bigjim33]

go with #2. if you can ADD some more test in

[HeHateMe]

LoL teekahty, I admit I'm a sissy boy (androgenic sides scare me). I knew I'd get the 'add more test' responses. But I've decided to keep the test doses low this time around if I do go ahead with the Test/EQ, which I'm leaning towards.

I think I should be able to get the 15 lbs or so I'm looking for.

One more question. Would adding insulin say for the first five weeks be worth it? How much more effective would the cycle be? I've already researched it thoroughly, and have a very good idea of how to use it. I just don't know if it'd be worth it adding it now, or just including it in my next cycle. It's tempting though, with all the great gains people claim they've gotten.

[trip]

HeHateMe,

Cycle no. 2. You know you're body better than anyone, plus your goals, so if you respond well to low doses, smart decision.

No flame intended, here. You're leaning towards insulin rather than test due to fear of androgenic sides? Just my 2 pennies, overall sides from insulin are far greater due to long term possibilities than anything from test. Just something to consider.


And always remember not everyone gets andrgenic sides.

Good Luck

[Josh]

#2 is the one i like but i would up the test personally and theres no need for HCG mid cycle. As far as slin goes bouncer put on 8 punds in a week i think but dont quote me

[bikertrash]

#2, you need test as base for almost all cycles.(don't want deca dick!!!):p

[bikertrash]

also up the test to at least 500mg. wk IMO

[HeHateMe]

Originally posted by trip

No flame intended, here. You're leaning towards insulin rather than test due to fear of androgenic sides? Just my 2 pennies, overall sides from insulin are far greater due to long term possibilities than anything from test. Just something to consider.


And always remember not everyone gets andrgenic sides.

LoL, I admit leaning towards 'slin instead of a little more test might be a bit puzzling to some.

The main reason I don't want to include too many androgens is fear of hairloss. I thinned a bit starting around age 21. Since then, I've taken precautionary measures (nizoral, spiro, minoxidil, and proscar-for awhile-have since dropped it) and my hair has actually thickened up and looks good and healthy. Even through my deca cycle, I noticed no hairloss.

I figure with the test/eq I can atleast use proscar along with the topicals and 'should be' safe.

Getting back to the 'slin. The only people that seem to have had problems with 'slin were either a) taking too much b) taking it for an extended period of time c) not taking the appropriate ratios of carb/protein/fat or d) were complete idiots and shouldn't be touching any type of drug (some might argue that I fall into this last category LoL)

Do you really feel 8 iu post-workout (working up from 2iu) entails that much of a risk?

[HeHateMe]

As for the HCG, I agree that it 'probably' isn't necessary, and most could get away excluding it. However, last cycle I got shut down pretty hard, so I'm including it this time around. At the very least, it'll help keep the twins from doing a total disappearing act.

[CJWolf]

call me stupid if you want ... but how are you going to do 250 mg/wk of cypionate if it's only 200 mg/ml and a 10cc bottle ???

[CJWolf]

also, just taking clomid during the cycle will help keep the twins working ... i've noticed an increase in size since i started taking clomid last week ...

[prolangtum]

#2,
If you know how to use insulin properly, you can keep you doses down as HHM did. Have you ran insulin before BTW?

[CJWolf]

ok, if you want to go low dose, just go with something like:
200 mg/wk cyp weeks 1-10
300 mg/wk deca weeks 1-10
300 mg/wk eq weeks 1-10

and the anavar bridge isn't needed ... jsut come off normally.

[Tricky]

LOL listen to all us test junkies, There were only like two guys who didnt answer, add more test. But IMO opinion.....you should add more test. hahahaha- Tricky