Tren to Tren Suspension(or any AAS) why more pain?

[prolangtum]

So if we would use Sodium Hydroxide in the conversion to make Fina pellets, into not Tren Acetate, but to Tren No Ester, it makes it more painful correct? Just like Test Base is inherently more painful than Prop. I know the amount of BA to suspend it has somehting to do with it, but does the ester of a steroid, actually provide a pain buffer so to speak?

[prolangtum]

Come on William Bathgate, you of all people got to have an answer for this

[Chemical Evolution]

tHIS IS BECAUSE WITH NO EASTER YOU ARE SHOOTING A DEPOSIT.
witch is basically the same the happens when a brew crashes inside a muscle!

[prolangtum]

If we make it in oil will crystals form?

[CJWolf]

no, TNE in oil is generally painless and has a slower release time than the crystal depot.

[CJWolf]

however, i think the ester usually makes the AS molecule more soluble in BA, which is why Test Base takes more BA to suspend than something like Test Cyp ...

[superchicken]

well any oil based solution can form crystals, its just much les likely too. a suspension will always leave crystals, cause thats what it is, crystals in water.

oil solutions(dissolved) however if they are not stable enough, can crash after injection. this is usually caused by the solvent washing out of the depot and then the depot no longer can support the mg/ml, so some must fall out and crystalize untill the depot can support it.

usually short esters and no esters in oil are the ones which are prone top crystalizing. this is cause they are less sol in oil than longer esters

[BigD]

Agree with chicken on those points, however, I've never had any pain from suspension. That's b/c I make my own in oil-base, and used less than 10% ba. I feel no more pain from it than I do enanthate, and it's 100mg/ml. I made it higher concentration at first, but THAT crashed out of solution and would have hurt like a ***** to inject

[prolangtum]

My TNE isnt usually painful, but if I dont heat the oil before injecting, it seems to be sore the next day. Dotn ask me why, I know it shouldnt have any bearing on the soreness.