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Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate Again, specifically cut and paste the part where he disproved anything. I went over his comments and they havent disporved a thing. So go for it then we will talk.
Let's talk now, I just answered your little thingy, and seems to me you didn't show up with a single fact ...
What about the metabolites ? What about receptor-times ? What about androgen binding affinity ?
Originally posted by natty anabolic I agree with billy, i have seen many people use this method of bridging with success, I will try to get some people, and Fonz if he feels up to it to come here to quantify the the amount of success it has had.
YES ! GET FONZ UP HERE ! THAT'll be good for a hoot. In fact, lets have this discussion over at CEM and we can have nandi and the guys moderate ...
Originally posted by Big Cat YES ! GET FONZ UP HERE ! THAT'll be good for a hoot. In fact, lets have this discussion over at CEM and we can have nandi and the guys moderate ...
I PM'd Fonz over at EF and asked him to chime in. I'd like to get to the bottom of this myself because I've been seriously contemplating doing a D-bol bridge.
Originally posted by Juice Authority Calling Big Cat a fucking idiot was indeed out of line and this back and forth flame throwing isn't going to accomplish anything so let's all put our dicks back in our pants where they belong and discuss this theory of a D-bol bridge like civilized adults.
I will take you up on that offer. Right after Billy brushes up on his physiology 101 ...
Originally posted by Juice Authority I PM'd Fonz over at EF and asked him to chime in. I'd like to get to the bottom of this myself because I've been seriously contemplating doing a D-bol bridge.
Bet he doesn't show up ...
One ass-wooping a week is probably enough, and he can't afford to lose face now that he has people at CEM believing he is a nuclear physicist.
Well, first of all, I have to say that the dball AM theory has been around for close to 30 years.
Numerous people who have used AAS have done it and it has worked.(And they have the bloowork to prove it).
What I did, was explain the AM dball theory in more detail as the studies done on it(They are at AF) were a bit too technical sometimes, and didn't explain how to do the bridge to the layman.
The bridge is for 2 purposes:
1. To go from one cycle to the next letting your body recover from super-physiological levels of AAS. Your HPTA will partially recover too, but since you're going to start another cycle this is un-important. But at least its a semi-break. And little/no muscle loss will occurr.
2. To go from a cycle to the AM Dball bridge to OFF.
This was the purpose of the AM dball IMO.(And why I wrote the article in the first place)
Example:
8-10 week full AAS cycle followed by 8 weeks of AM dball.
You would gain muscle/fat in those 8-10 weeks(HPTA is supressed) then go on to the AM Dball bridge where your HPTA would be allowed to recover slowly. And by using drugs such as Clen, ECA etc.. etc.. you could lose any fat you accumulated during those first 8-10 weeks of full cycling. Kcals during those last 8 weeks of dball(AM) would be kept at maitenance(in order to no inhibit recovery in any way).
End result:
After 18 weeks, would be a net muscle gain, with maybe a small fat loss, and an HPTA close to normal. Blood work by people has demonstrated that HPTA recovery can be as high as 90%.
It really all depends on the individual I guess, but I seriously doubt that ANY persons HPTA would be at 50% or less.
And now, with the advent of androgel and Arimidex, HPTA recovery can be further enhanced during ther Dball bridge.
Arimidex would reduce E levels, while boostin T levels further while androgel can double endo T levels with a minimal/no impact on LH.
But, as somebody already pointed out, the AM 10mg dball dose HAS TO COINCIDE with your own bodies circadian Rythm.
As soon as you wake up, take the 10mg dose.
If you screw your circadian rythm up, the AM dball cycle will not work properly.
Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate bc....curious, what degrees do you have?
Molecular bio. Took many other things, but that's the only one I actually hold a degree in. Have studied Philosophy, psychology (both dropped out after first year) and currently physical therapy (in my second year, passed the partials magna cum laude despite a little lapse on my biomech exam).
Originally posted by Big Cat Bet he doesn't show up ...
One ass-wooping a week is probably enough, and he can't afford to lose face now that he has people at CEM believing he is a nuclear physicist.
Problem with you, is that I am a Nuclear Physicist(Just about) and have a masters in Aerospace Engineering.
But that is inimportant to anybody in all the boards.
What the people at other boards care about, is that i CARE about what stuff I post, and that they can trust the vertacity of my posts because i research everything to death.
You on the other hand don't.
REAL LIFE blood work has PROVEN me right.
That is indisputable.
But I can't take credit for that.
The credit goes to a greek doctor who first suggested the AM Dball bridge. Its in one of Dan Duchaines interviews.
Originally posted by Big Cat Molecular bio. Took many other things, but that's the only one I actually hold a degree in. Have studied Philosophy, psychology (both dropped out after first year) and currently physical therapy (in my second year, passed the partials magna cum laude despite a little lapse on my biomech exam).
I have more degrees than you...whopee dee do....lol
You're going to learn very quickly that people don't put up with BS.
Originally posted by Fonz Well, first of all, I have to say that the dball AM theory has been around for close to 30 years.
So have the rolling stones. In fact if only you knew how long people though the earth was flat ...
Numerous people who have used AAS have done it and it has worked.(And they have the bloowork to prove it).
Do they have a justice of the court that will verify their claims of what they took and when said bloodwork was performed ? Thought not.
What I did, was explain the AM dball theory in more detail as the studies done on it(They are at AF) were a bit too technical sometimes, and didn't explain how to do the bridge to the layman.
And given that you thought dbol raised testosterone, and you failed to take into account receptor times and metabolites, the fact that it was a poor androgen, high estrogenic and that your study was only valid for non-supressed levels to begin with, what made you believe you were the most suited person to explain this ? You clearly don't understand it yourself.
The bridge is for 2 purposes:
1. To go from one cycle to the next letting your body recover from super-physiological levels of AAS. Your HPTA will partially recover too, but since you're going to start another cycle this is un-important. But at least its a semi-break. And little/no muscle loss will occurr.
When levels are supressed and you introduce an HPTA blocking factor of any kind, higher than normal physiological levels (achieved with Dbol on less than 5mg) you will keep levels supressed, if you perchance don't supress them even more. Only when levels of estrogen and androgen binding are significantly low (on both counts) will levels return to normal due to cessation of negative feedback.
2. To go from a cycle to the AM Dball bridge to OFF.
Gee, ever considered HCG / Nolva / Clomid treatment ? Shit of a lot faster and more effective. THink Michael Mooney wrote some loveley referenced review articles about this on medibolics.
This was the purpose of the AM dball IMO.(And why I wrote the article in the first place)
You would gain muscle/fat in those 8-10 weeks(HPTA is supressed) then go on to the AM Dball bridge where your HPTA would be allowed to recover slowly.
How ? Physiological levels of ER binding aren't amply low at this point to allow that.
[b]And by using drugs such as Clen, ECA etc..
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The beta-adrenergic system is a catabolic one, reversing the effects of insulin ...
After 18 weeks, would be a net muscle gain, with maybe a small fat loss, and an HPTA close to normal. Blood work by people has demonstrated that HPTA recovery can be as high as 90%.
Funny, Sample research of bridging techniques on 15 competition athletes showed different.
Also funny how I could achieve what you said in 12-13 weeks, for less money, and better cholesterol and LH/FSH profiles to show for it...
It really all depends on the individual I guess, but I seriously doubt that ANY persons HPTA would be at 50% or less.
I would contest that statement, but ok, lets say it was at 50%. YOU CALL 50% DROP IN TESTOSTERONE LEVELS UNDER BASELINE FOR A LARGER ACCUMULATED MASS A PROPER RECOVERY ?
But, as somebody already pointed out, the AM 10mg dball dose HAS TO COINCIDE with your own bodies circadian Rythm.
As soon as you wake up, take the 10mg dose.
If you screw your circadian rythm up, the AM dball cycle will not work properly.
Originally posted by Juice Authority Well, he showed and answered a lot of questions I had. Now, where are the flaws with his theory?
Layed them all out nice and neat for you. Notice how carefully he sidesteps any substantiation of what he says. Despite the fact that he has the burden of proof, I'm doing most of the work here.
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