"test is test"...right?

[horsepwr]

You know the old saying. "test is test". But I know that my body responds differently to different esters. I know it's not just me either. I've read, for years, how this ester works better than that ester from so many different folks.
Even with NPP and nandrolone deca. I've never used nandro phenylprop, but I've heard that it doesn't have the water retention effects of it's longer estered twin.

So, with that said. I guess test really isn't just test. The ester seems to have allot to do with the response produced by the hormone.

What do you think about the ole "test is test" saying? Is that all there is to it? Or does the ester have more to do with the hormone than that saying lets on?

[956Vette]

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Hard to say what works better when so many users out there have differing goals and expectations. Absolutely the body responds different to various esters. Certainly is wise to consider and be aware of the impact foreign testosterone has on one's negative feedback loop, aromatase, etc. More than less, test is test...

[daved150]

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i think in general, test is teast...it all shuts ya down...individuals responces are different to different eathers, but it's all still test

[jamescb77]

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your example of holding more water on deca compared to npp is not due to the difference in the hormone its do to the difference in the ester. the hormone is doing the same thing it's just the ester is causing you to hold the water weight. When it comes down to it test is test, tren is tren. the esters will effect your body a little different but the hormone is sill doing the same thing in the end.

[horsepwr]

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your example of holding more water on deca compared to npp is not due to the difference in the hormone its do to the difference in the ester. the hormone is doing the same thing it's just the ester is causing you to hold the water weight. When it comes down to it test is test, tren is tren. the esters will effect your body a little different but the hormone is sill doing the same thing in the end.

That's exactly what I said. I know it's the same hormone. One is phenylprop estered/nandrolone phenylprop(NPP), the other is decaonate esterified/nandrolone deca(deca).
There. That's the same thing I originally stated, just more wordy.
Re-read my original post on NPP and deca.
Deca isn't a hormone. You can have test deca. That's where I think you're confused. You posted thinking that deca was a hormone instead of an ester in another thread. Deca is an ester.

[jamescb77]

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I know that deca is an ester but most people don't realize that so in trying to make things so everyone can understand i said deca and npp. I realize that i did that and it wasn't a mistake. Your question was is test test and the answer is yes. however esters aren't esters. each one will do different things in your body.

[horsepwr]

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I know that deca is an ester but most people don't realize that so in trying to make things so everyone can understand i said deca and npp. I realize that i did that and it wasn't a mistake. Your question was is test test and the answer is yes. however esters aren't esters. each one will do different things in your body.

I thought I made that crystal clear with this statement right out the gate...first post.

Even with NPP and nandrolone deca. I've never used nandro phenylprop, but I've heard that it doesn't have the water retention effects of it's longer estered twin.

anyway. Now that we've definitely made that exact same statement several times now, I'm sure everyone's got it,lol...and it sounds like we're eye to eye on esters as well.
Being that test certainly is test. For someone without the knowledge of how different hormones are esterified, and how this effects the body differently, I guess there's also certainly more to test than just the fact that it is indeed test.

Longer esterified hormones seem to effect most folks with more water retention, which, arguably, results in more muscle mass. And your shorter lived esters have less water retention and most claim to "kick-in" faster.

[956Vette]

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Longer esterified hormones seem to effect most folks with more water retention, which, arguably, results in more muscle mass. And your shorter lived esters have less water retention and most claim to "kick-in" faster.

Interesting pov horse

I would play devils advocate a little by thinking it would be counter productive to retain water while trying to gain muscle mass. It can be a delicate balance... a little is(/can be) good, but more is certainly not better.

So I believe I am of the school of thought where if I wanted the most muscle mass gains I would run something which would make me a pin cushion

Good topic btw

[horsepwr]

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Interesting pov horse

I would play devils advocate a little by thinking it would be counter productive to retain water while trying to gain muscle mass. It can be a delicate balance... a little is(/can be) good, but more is certainly not better.

So I believe I am of the school of thought where if I wanted the most muscle mass gains I would run something which would make me a pin cushion

Good topic btw

yes. That's why i added "arguably" to that theory of water retention and mass gains.

I've gained the most mass, quality gains, and strength all in one by running a long ester test, with an acetate that made me a pin cusion as well.

Speaking of acetate. I seem to grow better with tren ace than tren e. so...the debate continues.

[956Vette]

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Yes sir

[jamescb77]

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water retention can be a good thing when your on an all out bulker. It adds a little something called weight leverage just by being bigger and heavier other object in relation are smaller and "lighter". This allows you to move more weight and in return possibly build more muscle. I also think one of the reasons that people have better results with long esters is that they keep the blood levels more even over a long period of time. most people don't have the time or dedication to poke everyday at exactly the same time so they have no fluctuation in there hormone levels.

[a-bomb83]

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the way i've always thought about it is a mg for mg issue. lets say you're taking 600mg/week of test e. typically, just from rule of thumb, most guys that aren't freakin giants, will only consume about 3-400mg/week of prop (100mg eod). so with that said, if they upped the dose more towards 600mg/week of prop (mimicing that of enanthate) they'd see similar results, mainly bloating. so mg for mg, test is test. i'd like to see someone take 300mg/week of suspension and see if they actually "blow up". i'd think not.

[horsepwr]

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the way i've always thought about it is a mg for mg issue. lets say you're taking 600mg/week of test e. typically, just from rule of thumb, most guys that aren't freakin giants, will only consume about 3-400mg/week of prop (100mg eod). so with that said, if they upped the dose more towards 600mg/week of prop (mimicing that of enanthate) they'd see similar results, mainly bloating. so mg for mg, test is test. i'd like to see someone take 300mg/week of suspension and see if they actually "blow up". i'd think not.

That is not at all the case. I've ran 100mgs every day of prop. 700mgs a wk, right? right. That is not at all the same as running 700mgs of cyp or enan because of your testosterone level. Your test levels will be significantly lower with prop because of the half life of the ester. You can not achieve a level over 200-300mgs of prop because it only has a 2-3day half life so by time I got to day 4, the shot from day one is inactive with prop.
That is not the case with the longer esters because you can shoot 400mgs twice a wk, and actually achieve slightly higher levels than 800mgs per wk because of the longer half life. You would have to shoot 400mg/day of prop to get your test levels comparable.

[horsepwr]

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also, I am in no way, shape, form or fashion a freakin giant.
And, I had no bloat from the prop at 100mg/day. and I do welcome water retention. I expected not to see it with prop, though, because it's known for that. It seems all fast acting, short half life esterified AS have little to no water retention compared to the longer esters. Regardless of dose.

[a-bomb83]

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^k. well, i'll throw that theory out the window. lol