Please Critique

[CanadianJuicer]

Hey boys, I don't post much here, I'm usually over at RC, but I am impressed with the number of extreamly knowledgable bro's here.
With that said, please indulge me. I'm 26, have about 4 cycles under my belt. Diet has always been an issue for me. Working hard on geting more dedicated with that and will not start this cycle until I get into a solid routine. I am 5'10" 180 lbs, don't know body fat but I can tell you I'm pretty damn lean. I'm looking to put on some mass in the first part of this cycle then loose the water and maintain most of the weight through the rest of the cycle. I have HcG, clomid and nolva on hand as I am quite prone to gyno. I know people have many mixed reviews on HcG so any input would be appreciate. I've never been on this long before so was thinking maybe throwing in some HcG mid cycle. Any thoughs would be greatly appreciated!!! Peace

CJ

Week 1-17 200mg EQ every 4th day
Week 1-12 200mg CYP every 3rd day
Week 1-4 35mg Dbol ED
Week 13-18 .7cc Stanafina ED (75mg winny, 75mg tren per CC)
Week 13-18 1cc Suspina ED (25mg tren, 125 mg suspension)

[BigD]

That's a long cycle... you'll probably want to use the HCG. Also, why the suspension at the end? Not only will that make you hold a lot more water than the cyp, but you'll be taking more than TWICE as much test the last 6 weeks. Why the huge jump? The winny and tren are fine, but I would use prop at the end, and a much lower dose, say 100mg eod. If you already have the Suspina though, just do 1/2 cc ed, and I hope it's oil-based, or you'll really need to shoot it 2x per day, and that gets old quick!

[prolangtum]

Cut the EQ and Cyp out week 16, you want to make sure they are clear by the time your ready for clomid. Go every 4th day for the cyp, no need to inject your self twice, when you can just throw it in the EQ syringe.

[x|Fluid|x]

ahh, a fellow PVL junkie :p

Cycle looks really good, I like it. I would hit the HCG around week 12, then again weeks 19,20 before you run clomid.

[prolangtum]

Or, you could use SWALE'S method, and use 500ius 2 days a week, for the duration of the cycle.

[horsepwr]

Originally posted by BigD
That's a long cycle... you'll probably want to use the HCG. Also, why the suspension at the end? Not only will that make you hold a lot more water than the cyp, but you'll be taking more than TWICE as much test the last 6 weeks. Why the huge jump? The winny and tren are fine, but I would use prop at the end, and a much lower dose, say 100mg eod. If you already have the Suspina though, just do 1/2 cc ed, and I hope it's oil-based, or you'll really need to shoot it 2x per day, and that gets old quick!

Are you possitive about that? I might be mistaken, but as far as I know Test Suspension is water based. Prop is oil based. And as far as water retention, those are at the bottom of the list of the test esters. In fact I believe that cyp is at the top for estrogen related sides. BigD is on the right track.

[CanadianJuicer]

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Originally posted by BigD
That's a long cycle... you'll probably want to use the HCG. Also, why the suspension at the end? Not only will that make you hold a lot more water than the cyp, but you'll be taking more than TWICE as much test the last 6 weeks. Why the huge jump? The winny and tren are fine, but I would use prop at the end, and a much lower dose, say 100mg eod. If you already have the Suspina though, just do 1/2 cc ed, and I hope it's oil-based, or you'll really need to shoot it 2x per day, and that gets old quick!
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Originally posted by horsepwr
Are you possitive about that? I might be mistaken, but as far as I know Test Suspension is water based. Prop is oil based. And as far as water retention, those are at the bottom of the list of the test esters. In fact I believe that cyp is at the top for estrogen related sides. BigD is on the right track.

Now you've lost Horsepower. yes suspension is water based. It seems like you are disagreeing with Big D right until you say he is on the right track.

Have I gone totally mental to think that suspension will hold less water than anything??? No ester and all.

Glad to see so many opinions, keep em coming. I like the HcG idea mid and end of cycle Fluid!

CJ

[horsepwr]

My bad. lol. I meant it looks like you're on the right track.

[CanadianJuicer]

Man good to hear...I thought over a year of trying to learn was just thrown out the window!!

[prolangtum]

Unless heavy anti-es are used, suspension will make you hold more water than prop, because it is not active long enough for the body to use it all, it aromatizes quickly. I hold the same amount of water as on Eth. I believe prop is the best all around test form, but i love the strength suspension gives me.

[x|Fluid|x]

by the way, if your prone to gyno then I would recommend running Nolva at 20mg ED while your running HCG, and for about 5 days afterwards as well.

[jack hust]

i agree with fluid cycle looks good but do run nolva with the hcg it causes gyno also bro

[CanadianJuicer]

Sounds good....fluid, and jack...what are your thoughts on the water retention of suspension? I've never used it to tell you the truth. Would you recommend to switch to prop also??

[x|Fluid|x]

Ive never used it personally, so I cant really comment. You could always run it, and if you start to bloat just run some liquidex. Or you could switch to prop like you suggested

[prolangtum]

I noticed more water retention on suspension than prop. Of course the strength gains were more on suspension, but then again the pain was too. You could run prop, and throw in a low dose of suspension for a pre workout boost. Maybe try 100mg eod of prop, and then 1/3 of a cc of the suspina 1 hour preworkout, if it is water based. If its oil based, shoot it two hours prior.