Chem Here -- Info On New Site

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I emailed the ISP yesterday, and so far this is the repsponse I've got:
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Re:
Your company is hosting the website: http://www.mercxxxxxxxxxxx.com

This website has illegaly displayed personal information about myself and many other people. This information includes personal address's, names, phone numbers, even private cellular phone numbers.

The owners of this website have illegally obtained this information from a company that I do business with. The owners of this website have threatened to display the tracking numbers of packages that are travelling via USPS.

I would like this website taken down immediately, I hold your company responsible. If the website is not taken down, I will take legal action to ensure that it is.
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Dear valued customer:

This has been forwarded to the appropriate dept. for further review. Have a
good day!

Team Jumpline

Sincerely, Jason Fisher

[G-S]

Well, the page with Chem and Dwarfs personal info was removed, but the list of names is still visable.

[Johnny Cut]

they didnt take all the info down, just a few of the phone numbers, still bullshit

[Johnny Cut]

and the "These Pages Will Be Updated This Evening With Recently Obtained Information."

[Johnny Cut]

and my personal favorite:

"We will also be speaking to 60 minutes about getting air time informing parents as myself around the country and the need to take action against sites that sell kits and also the boards that legitimize their use. People will start to take parents seriously when they say

DO NOT SELL THESE TO MY CHILD. "


bwahahahahahhaahahahahahhaha, 60 minutes, come on now, maybe some local action, from a drab Clinton debate to Chem's Research Kits, yeah,......i dont think so,.....and heres an idea, if u dont want your kids messing with it, BE A BETTER PARENT AND DONT LET THEM NEAR IT!!!,...ITS NOT A FUCKING MYSTERY HOW TO KEEP KIDS AWAY U DUMB FUCK

[BigSoda]

bump

[voodoochild]

One other thing that has not been mentioned. Even if the authorities do get involved they could never convict anyone on the evidence of ordering a kit and posts on boards. What they could do is possibly get a search warrant for your house. They still have to catch you with actual illegal substances. If you are worried clean your house and don't place any orders for anything illegal from anywhere until this gets resolved. You could order a kit and they couldn't do anything about it, remember they are legal.

[O2BESOHUGE]

CHEM WHAT IS YOUR WEBSITE?????

O2

[superchicken]

Originally posted by G-S
Well, the page with Chem and Dwarfs personal info was removed, but the list of names is still visable.

its still there bro.....they were prob updating it as you viewed it, if only chem was in that kinkos at the time you posted that he would get them.

[superchicken]

the feds would not go after individuals, BUT if they were already investigating certain screen names, they now have all the info...thats the problem there. plus you never know if the fed who gets this is your freakin nieghbor, chances are slim anybody could get in trouble but bet your ass they will log the info and have it if they find a use for it.

[Manic Behavior]

Chem, put a fuckin bullet in the heads of whoever did this, make them suffer. Fuck the law, fuck the feds, the police, dea whoever, . Nobody should ever fuck with you and get away with it.

[ElCid]

Originally posted by teekahty
I agree with you 100 % Presser, everyone in this game knows the "rules" but thank god we live in america if they want to use that stuff that was posted they would have to present it to a judge to obtain a warrant for whomever they go after , I cannot see any judge issuing a warrant based on iformation that was obtained illegally not to mention they would be searching a person 's home for items that are legal to purchase and possess , not a big winner for our justice system , and easily torn to shreds by any
3 rd year law student but this does not mean that anyone should stop being careful by any means

There are way too many unanswered questions to provide reasonable legal opinions on anything that has gone on here. Maybe the info. was obtained illegally, and maybe, it wasn't. Maybe law enforcement could use it as probable cause, maybe even as evidence if it got to that point. But, the only things that anyone knows for certain is that this situation is F**CK**. If they send the info. to law enforcement, there is a chance that, assuming they make the decision to conduct an investigation, they may use it. However, if it turns out the information was improperly obtained, it may destroy the admissibility of other evidence obtained as a result of the information. Right now it is their word (i.e., lawfully obtained info.) v. Chem's (assertion of illegally gotten). I really find it hard to believe though that law enforcement could somehow use this info. to pull the records of every vet company. I understand that there may be a database of individuals who purchase substances like Fina and Syno, but who knows how reliable and accessible the info. is. If it is easily accessed, then may be the risks go up, if not, then maybe the work would be too time consuming. Either way, this situation is not good. And the only thing anyone knows for certain, is that someone has a lot of financial and identifying information of many people, and they are not very scrupulous on how they use it.

Just my .02.

[ElCid]

Originally posted by teekahty
el cid I was referring to the character of the individuals this info was recieved from , the info posted on the interent is illegal therfore the person (s) who posted it has committed a crime , therfore the info obtained was done so illegally , it would become your word ,against that of a criminal ,

Understood. And, I agree that if the person in question had to testify as to how the information was obtained, this fact should be used for impeachment purposes. I am just saying that there are a lot of assumptions, and one being that the info. was obtained illegally. I am not Chem bashing here, as I believe him to be man of his word, though I don't know him. I am going by the tremendous amount of support he is getting right now, and that says a lot.

I think one of the better points you make (or someone else, not sure) is that eventually the person responsible would have to come forward to law enforcement and explain how they obtained the information. If law enforcement was going to use it for the bases for obtaining a warrant, they would have to persuade a judge that the info. is credible, as well as lawfully obtained (among other things). Though anonymous "sources" of evidence can be used to obtain a warrant, the standards for persuading a judge to isse a warrant based on the anonymous "source" is much higher. In this situation, I am sure the burden would be quite high. Therefore, more than likely, the person would have to reveal themselves and show themselves credible. However, the determination would be ex-parte, meaning Chem, more than likely, would not be contacted to refute the allegations of the source, as this would likely compromise any resulting investigation.

I am not trying to create problems here. I just wanted to clarify some issues. Also, keep in mind the rules of evidence for each state are differant, as are the rules of evidence for federal matters.

[ElCid]

Originally posted by teekahty
I appreciate your info brah, I am only slightly educated in the law , I started out pursuing that in college but then I discovered college parties ,LOL. I just want this info out because the bastard doing this is also using paranoia tactics and using , our obvious liability regarding the law against us , I think the more people understand the ramifications of what could become of all this the better , your opinions in the legal arena are greatly appreciated , I have a lawyer , and he has looked into all of this for me and says I should rest easy at night , I believe him and I want others to be able to do the same

Understood. I am not trying to feed into the paranoia. I was actually trying to do the opposite. I guess not very effectively. I am glad you have legal counsel, as that will definitely put you more at ease. What I can't figure out is how this a** thinks he is doing anyone a service? It is very obvious that he/she is simply doing this for one reason, personal gain of some sort. It is pathetic to say the least. And you are right on the mark with using "our obvious liability regarding the law" against everyone on that list, which is extremely sh***Y. If they did not have that factor going for them, they would likely be behind bars right now. If it turns out that this person is actually "in the business" so to speak, there had better be world-wide outcry for his/her ass!