anyone here use low dose thyroid for cutting?

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Heres my theory, I was thinking of going with 12.5mcg-25mcg ed for longer periods of time during cutting. The theory behind it is the lower dose (12.5mcg) ed would give a boost in metabolism as thyroid is the hormone of metabolism and IMO even a small increase will help, and this will prevent the rebound post cycle b/c it should not supress natural TSH production, and also spare muscle mass b/c of the low dose. I would think on this low of a dose you could stay on for a few months...even without anything eles as long as you keep the diet CLEAN, and cardio going with heavy weights it should not break down muscle (even without aas) b/c of the increased protein intake.

Any thoughts on this?

Im thinking of doing it for the summer (starting this week) and I might run a LOW dose of test with it just to prevent any possible catabolism of muscle (cyp in the 250mg/week range for 20 weeks, I know its LOW, but its not for growth, its just to maintain and to keep the cycle CHEAP!) and also get the benefit of the nutrient partitioning effects of the aas a bit. I will most likely start off with 25mg of anadrol just untill the cyp kicks in.

I will be eatting a LOT of veg like broccoli and caulflower (mostly these two, nothing with to much sugar like carrots) and a variety of salad veg and takeing in low fat HIGH protein from chicken tuna and egg whites with moderate caloric intake. This will be my first full fledged attempt at cutting in about 4 years...I HOPE to cut my body fat in half by summer useing this method (that would put me in contest shape or close to it. at around 6%)

ANy suggestions on my first LOW dose cycle sense I have started this stuff? I have been basically off for a year now (I have done a small cycle recently with all fast acting gear for a short period of time to test some UG gear but thats it)

[iamdwalrus]

IMO you don't even have to use any test to offset catabolism since as you said youwill be taking a high amount of protein,but it helps. When I took a vacation from the boards and didn't do any cycling because of my ex-wife, I was taking a low dose of T3 for almost a year without any compromise on my health. Sure I lost some size from not training and not cycling but I also kept myself fairly lean with T3. Muscle would be spared with high protein intake and training heavy weights.

[CJWolf]

i like to do 25 mcg/day of the T3 when cutting ... natually a lot dose of test is best, but even naturally you won't lose much muscle mass ...

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Hey bro, I know you from the old fitness board dont I??? Been a LONG break for you hasnt it. I remember a bunch of posts asking where you where, seemed like you dropped off the face of the earth for a bit...Glad your back!

So how low of a dose do you do??? Is 25mcg to much to keep from crashing the natural thyroid production?

Originally posted by iamdwalrus
IMO you don't even have to use any test to offset catabolism since as you said youwill be taking a high amount of protein,but it helps. When I took a vacation from the boards and didn't do any cycling because of my ex-wife, I was taking a low dose of T3 for almost a year without any compromise on my health. Sure I lost some size from not training and not cycling but I also kept myself fairly lean with T3. Muscle would be spared with high protein intake and training heavy weights.

[BarBender]

T3

Here is an idea. It is not mine but I will share it with you. The idea is to take a daily T3 supplest and just take over for your thyroid gland. Albeit you would eventually become dependant on T3 for the rest of your life, how hard is it to take a daily dose? This way you totally have control over your metabolic rate. I realize this is way too radical for many but it is a very interesting notion.

Look at the math.

T3 isn't scheduled you can buy it from life science places online. You can buy 1g for less than $200 US. Now 1g = 1000mg and 1000mg = 1 000 000mcg. At a dose of 50mcg per day it would take you roughly 54 years to use up your supply.

[Josh]

interesting - i would not consider it til my mid 30s but an interesting idea none the less

[nox]

Re: anyone here use low dose thyroid for cutting?

Originally posted by BIG_GUNS_21
The theory behind it is the lower dose (12.5mcg) ed would give a boost in metabolism as thyroid is the hormone of metabolism and IMO even a small increase will help, and this will prevent the rebound post cycle b/c it should not supress natural TSH production

I've heard people say that 12.5mcg won't suppress your thyroid, but I have never been able to find any proof. Do you have any studies or references you can post/link?

[MIKE_XXL]

I have done that at 10-12.5mcg per day for about 12 weeks or so, and must say it helped stay lean and there was no rebound effect i do not think that low of an amount will shut down your own thiroid productin, it will just supplement what your body is already making...good luck...XXL

[jack hust]

i have used 25 mcg ed for10 weeks with aas great results

[iamdwalrus]

Originally posted by BIG_GUNS_21
Hey bro, I know you from the old fitness board dont I??? Been a LONG break for you hasnt it. I remember a bunch of posts asking where you where, seemed like you dropped off the face of the earth for a bit...Glad your back!

So how low of a dose do you do??? Is 25mcg to much to keep from crashing the natural thyroid production?

Your thyroid produces 4-11ng/dl so even a low dose like 12.5mcg would still be more than your natural production. My body temperature don't go up as much with 12.5mcg compared to 25mcg so that wouldn't be any help if I'm trying to burn fat. And as far as crashing the natural thyroid production, there was a study done that made a case for T3 suppression but the subjects recovered within a week following administration. 25mcg will alter and could suppress the natural T3 production but not to a great degree. An accompanying bloodwork would prove that.

[bigjim33]

i think 12.5mcg would be ideal for what your planning

[nox]

Originally posted by iamdwalrus
there was a study done that made a case for T3 suppression but the subjects recovered within a week following administration.

Could you post it?

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Well, I just started...took 25mcg T3/250mg cyp and 25mg drol this AM before breakfast. Should be interesting seeing as how its my first REAL attempt to cut...we will see.

[iamdwalrus]

Jolly good my dear fellow. Keep us posted.

[iamdwalrus]

for your perusal Nox

Originally posted by nox
Could you post it?

Here it is.

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The time course of changes in TRH responsiveness in man following a single dose of liothyronine.

Azizi F, Vagenakis AG, Ingbar SH, Braverman LE.

The serum thyrotropin (TSH) response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone (TRH, 100 mug i.v.) was evaluated prior to and at various times following the oral administration of single doses of liothyronine (100 mug) given at weekly intervals. The TSH response to TRH was mildly depressed when TRH was given 1 hr after liothyronine administration when the serum triiodothyronine (T3) concentration was strikingly elevated, was markedly reduced 16 and 24 hr after liothyronine, was essentially abolished 3 days after liothyronine when the serum T3 concentration was normal, and was normal 7 days after liothyronine administration. These findings suggest that the more prolonged suppression of TRH responsiveness, observed following the withdrawal of long-term excess endogenous or exogenous thyroid hormones, cannot be ascribed to the intrinsic duration of action of the hormone present at the time of withdrawal, but rather to the prolonged extent of the suppression itself.