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**rado** · 03-09-2003, 12:10 AM

Re: My 16 weeks cycle - please critique.

Originally posted by khemix
Alright guys, this will be my next cycle and I want it to be a pretty heavy one. I plan to bulk the first 10 weeks, and cut the last 6. My stats: 200lbs, 8%bf (expected to raise), training hard for 2.5 years, 22yrs old. 2nd cycle. Don't think I left anything else out.

BULKING
Dbol 30mg/ed 1-4 wks
EQ 400mg/wk 1-10 wks
Test Enth 500mg/wk 1-10 wks
Deca 200mg/wk 6-14 wks (for joint problems mainly)

CUTTING
Fina 75mg/eod 11-16 wks
Winny 50mg/ed 11-16 wks

ANTI-E'S
Clomid Therapy 19-21 wks
Nolva 20mg/eod 1-14 wks (very prone to gyno)
Milk Thistle
HCG (where do i put it in there?)

I don't really know where I should incorporate the HCG but im assuming I should use it. I will be taking milk thistle for liver protection and maybe ALA. Please critique my cycle guys, any and ALL help is appreciated! Thanks bros!

Chris

I would raise the d-bol to 50mg, 100mg fina eod. Other than that, it looks good to me. Good luck.

**khemix** · 03-09-2003, 12:19 AM

rado, lets say I did, how much of a difference do you think it would make? Also, wouldn't sides be fuckin nuts?! Last time i was on dbol 25mg/ed and my lower back was so tight i could barely move and my nose bled some, so my blood pressure was very high. Could you reccomend something that would help to lower my bp? Thanks man!

Chris

**rado** · 03-09-2003, 12:26 AM

then if you know you'll get problems, stay the way you said or keep it lower. when your on AS, your BP is naturally up, no way around it IMO. What quality is the gear? I assume QV, right or wrong? Anyway, can you get some liq? I would get that instead of the nolva, it will keep bloat and Gyno symptons away.

**khemix** · 03-09-2003, 12:29 AM

I am actually making the gear myself. I have dont it before so I'm not worried about that. Yea I'm thinking about switching to liquidex but I'm still not sure. Thanks for the input man!

**rado** · 03-09-2003, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by khemix
I am actually making the gear myself. I have dont it before so I'm not worried about that. Yea I'm thinking about switching to liquidex but I'm still not sure. Thanks for the input man!

wow, now your a chemist he? Well Liq will do good for you, good luck.

**khemix** · 03-09-2003, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by rado
wow, now your a chemist he? Well Liq will do good for you, good luck.

Thank you very much man, your input is greaty appreciated. I know a bit about chemistry yes, but its pretty damn simple and MUCH cheaper. I'll look into the Liq and see if i can come up with a choice. Anyone else got any ideas??

Chris

**rado** · 03-09-2003, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by khemix
Thank you very much man, your input is greaty appreciated. I know a bit about chemistry yes, but its pretty damn simple and MUCH cheaper. I'll look into the Liq and see if i can come up with a choice. Anyone else got any ideas??

Chris

bump for you.

**Doom** · 03-09-2003, 01:06 AM

Re: My 16 weeks cycle - please critique.

Since you are starting with bulking, I would start the deca from the begining, and run it a lil higher, 300mg, end it at week 10.
Keep the dbol as is, if you had discomfort with a lower dose.
I would run the eq the full 16 weeks, and up that as well to 600mg.
Fina will shut you down fast and hard, so its better if you stay on test. When you are getting ready to get into the cutting phase, run propinate instead of the enanthate, the fina dose is fine, but ED is much better than eod, you could actually get away with 50mg ed. The winstrol dose is fine as well
Being very supceptable to gyno, I would highly reccomend the ldex, or femera, or something fo that nature...progesterone induced gyno from deca or fina, wont be stopped by novla, best thing you cna do is use ldex to stop a surge of estrogen, also HCG can give some gyno as well, so you may want to keep that in mind. Novla wont prevent the gyno from setting in, it will only work once it has set in. HCG before clomid. Milk thissle is shit, Liv 52 is a good liver protectant.
ALA 300-500mg ed

That basically covers it, good luck with the cycle bro
Keep your water intake high especially on fina

Originally posted by khemix
Alright guys, this will be my next cycle and I want it to be a pretty heavy one. I plan to bulk the first 10 weeks, and cut the last 6. My stats: 200lbs, 8%bf (expected to raise), training hard for 2.5 years, 22yrs old. 2nd cycle. Don't think I left anything else out.

BULKING
Dbol 30mg/ed 1-4 wks
EQ 400mg/wk 1-10 wks
Test Enth 500mg/wk 1-10 wks
Deca 200mg/wk 6-14 wks (for joint problems mainly)

CUTTING
Fina 75mg/eod 11-16 wks
Winny 50mg/ed 11-16 wks

ANTI-E'S
Clomid Therapy 19-21 wks
Nolva 20mg/eod 1-14 wks (very prone to gyno)
Milk Thistle
HCG (where do i put it in there?)

I don't really know where I should incorporate the HCG but im assuming I should use it. I will be taking milk thistle for liver protection and maybe ALA. Please critique my cycle guys, any and ALL help is appreciated! Thanks bros!

Chris

**bigdog20** · 03-09-2003, 05:48 AM

I would run some kind of test during the cutting cycle aswell. Prop at 50mg ed would be good. Other than that the cycle looks good to me.

**khemix** · 03-09-2003, 01:57 PM

Awesome reply doom!! Let's say I were to incorporate the prop in there and cut the enanthate short, what week and what dosage woudl you reccomend? And should I run it ed through the cutting phase like bigdog advised? Thanks boys!

Chris

**Doom** · 03-09-2003, 03:58 PM

Start the prop at the same time you are starting the cutting phase. ED injections, if you dont mind them are best with prop. 50mg ed is cool.
Also I retract one thing, the length of EQ, do 12 weeks, but start around the 4th week of bulking, then run it straight to the end.
About 20 days after your last shot of eq, then start clomid.

**khemix** · 03-09-2003, 05:15 PM

doom, why would i start clomid so early? Since this is a 16 week cycle, wouldn't i start clomid 3rd week after last shot of fina and prop?

Chris

**monstercojones** · 03-09-2003, 06:44 PM

no, the prop leaves the body really fast. fina does as well. take your first dose of clomid two days after your last shot.

last shot on monday, start clomid on weds.
(just an example)

**khemix** · 03-09-2003, 10:42 PM

Alright, here is the almost completed cycle, as it stands does it seem ok?

BULKING
Dbol 30mg/ed 1-4 wks
EQ 400mg/wk 1-10 wks
Test Enth 500mg/wks 1-10 wks
Deca replaced with Glucosamine/MSM Complex

CUTTING
Fina 75mg/eod 11-16 wks
Winny 50mg/ed 11-16 wks
Prop 50mg/ed 11-16 wks

ANTI-E'S
Clomid Therapy 16-19 wks (2 days after prop shot)
L-dex .1mg ed
Milk Thistle

I chose to keep the EQ at its current dosage for a couple various reasons. I added the prop in there and replaced the deca and replaced the nolva with liquidex. The only reason i was going to run the deca is because i heard it helps your joints, so i will be taking plenty of glucosamine/msm complex. Do you guys have any other suggestions??? Thanks guys, you've totally revamped my cycle!!!!

Chris

(ps. what do you think i'll gain on this baby?)

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