Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

[CaliYoked]

This is my 2nd cycle and I feel like I dont react to decca. I am thinking of switching because although I am making gains I am not really getting much size, more just toning up and staying around the same weight. My diet is super clean and im getting about 200g of protein a day. My source suggested I lengthen my cycle and switch to eq. What do u guys think?

[angryoldman]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

I always liked the late Dan Duchaines advice. "If you can't grow on Deca or Dbol, you can't grow on anything!"
What are you looking to do? You said you are toning up and staying around the same weight. Does that mean you are unhappy with toning, and want more bulk? EQ, even though a testosterone base, isn't much for growing on alone. It's better stacked with another bulking agent. But EQ alone generally will not put on more size than a deca will. Everyones body type is different though.

[T-Man007]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

Well, my initial guess is that your overall calories are nothigh enough for gains. If you are on deca at a reasonable amount then you should not be getting leaner and you should not be staying the same weight. Unless, that deca is NPP, which is the short ester version of deca. If that's the case, it's a whole different drug that regular deca. In most people regular deca gives them good strength gains, good size gains and water retention. Thus, your weight should be up. If it's not, then your over all calories just aren't high enough. For me to really gain weight I eat around 4,000 cals. If I'm around 3,500 I stay the same and to lose weight I eat less than 3,000 (which doesn't happen because I'm a pig-lol). So, I would add just a tab more protein and try to get it up to at least 250 a day and make sure your calories are your body weight times 15 or higher, as a rough start. If you weigh 180 (for example) and you multiply that times 15, that's 2,700 cals a day. If you eat 35% protein, that's 945 cals from protein which is 236.25 grams of protein. This is just a rough scale but I like to eat between 250 to 300 grams of protein a day.

[horsepwr]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

First of all, how long have you been taking this deca?

Second, What are you dosing? How much? How often?

Third, Are you running deca alone?

I know we are all different and "everyone's body responds different" but evrybody WILL grow with deca. I don't care if you eat sh*t and don't lift anything more than a drink. By a month in you should put on 10 lbs of water weight from deca.

Also, on a side note...I would never run deca alone. You need test, and more than your dosing the deca. I know people run deca alone all the time problem free, but that isn't a line I'm willing to tip toe around. I believe test is the backbone of any cycle.

[CaliYoked]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

Sorry for not stating my cycyle...600mg test 500 mg deca/wk...been on around 7 weeks. I will try getting my calories a bit higher, its hard for me to eat clean and get em much higher

[6p6]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

If your already going with the deca I'd stay with the deca...it takes several weeks to kick in so you'd be fruitless to stop now...I'd look for an easier answer like adjusting your calories, increasing protein, maybe uping the carbs, adding a meal, etc...there's prob an easy fix...at your second cycle i doubt your max'd out on growth potential!!!

[horsepwr]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

You should be gaining like you want. I'm thinking you aren't eating like you should by the statement that your diet is "super clean". You haven't given your stats, i.e. size/build etc...but it doesn't really matter because what you're taking means you are going for mass and strength, and you plain out are by this thread. With all that said, you need to be EATING. Just as T-Man007 told you, You need to take in 4000-4500 cals a day. If I were a betting man, I'd bet your "super clean" diet isn't producing half that. If you are training like you should be, you should also be able to eat like you need to to put on the mass. EAT EAT EAT. Eat a half dozen eggs, clean oatmeal, & protein shake for breakfast. Eat 2 chicken breasts & a bag of 10 minute rice with a few pieces of whole grain bread and protien shake for lunch. For dinner, a pound of lean red meat more clean rice with a can of beans & protein shake. Oh, and when you get hungry as hell between those little meals, eat meals. Don't forget about pre workout snack. Don't go to the gym on an empty stomach.

Remember all the clean pastas, potatoes, good huge beans and rice dishes, lean meats, lean meats, lean meats by the pounds. protein protein protein. Drink at least a gallon of water a day. Keep it clean though. Keep the fat crap away. I still love my pb&j pre workout though.

When you are in the gym how long are you working out? Are you standing around talking half the time? You need to be lifting heavy, training hard. You should have the stamina to go at least an hour and a half everyday. And I mean lifting. Red faced, pumped up, about to pass out at times, training.

Worked like a champ for me.

Good luck. Train hard, eat hearty. Touch base after another month.

[CaliYoked]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

thx for the advice..grabbed a new powder from gnc that will give me an extra 980 cal per...ima try 2 drink two of those a day and eat more carbs. Thanks again guys

[GBAGH]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

200 grams of protein is not much bro. You should really be looking to eat 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight while you are on a cycle.

Deca is one of the best drugs out there for helping you make good use of extra food. I would keep the cycle the same and increase your food intake.

Everyone that is telling you to eat clean is probably meaning that you shouldn't drink sodas or eat cookies or ice cream to get extra calories, but you don't have to eat egg whites and chicken breasts to eat "clean" when you are bulking.

Foods like ground beef and whole eggs will help you get high quality protein laiden calories!

[daved150]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

all gave great advice...i was thinking it's in the diet as well...eat! we say it over and over, but it's the only way to gain!

[Merc]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

everyone has given you some great info. Deca is one of those drugs that if you dont put on size with it then your not going to put it on with something else. Post up your diet and your stats and lets take a look at what might be the problem. Like someone already said you should be eating about 2 grams per lb of body weight. making sure you get good carbs and plenty of them is also going to be key to gaining size.

Anyways post up your diet and your stats and we will go from there, also I dont remember reading how long you were running your cycle??

[FUZO]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

MERC IS RIGHT IF YOU DONT GROW ON DECA THEN THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR DIET.IVE DONE DECA A FEW TIMES AND I LOVE IT BUT MY PECKER DOESNT. I GET SIZE AND ALOT OF STRENGTH

[olded]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

Bro, you say your making good gains, but your not putting on size, first let me tell you I' love EQ and I stay on it for long periods of time, but the gains are slow with EQ. Deca gains are usually faster, Maybe your problem is that your eating to clean. Most people don't want to put on any fat, but they want to get big. If you want to get big you got to eat. I'm not saying eat all kinds of junk food but you got to increase your KCAL. Sure if you ask your source he's going to want to sell you something. This is only your 2nd cycle eat man and you will grow and get stronger then you ever were. Hope this helps.

[Harry Tasker]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

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^^ The cycle didnt do SHIIT , it took me awhile to realize DIET is number one in the equation. Some people never figure it out....
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[Harry Tasker]

Re: Switching from Deca to EQ mid cycle

in corod's 2 senteces he says it all. DIET IS THE KEYSTONE 2 BODYBUILDING. U WANT 2 LOOK FREAKY?> U GOTTA EAT FREAKY!!