very low dose

[fresno_smooth]

I'm 6'3" 225lbs. guessing about 12-13%bf maybe less, been lifting seriously over 7years (24 years old). My question is will I gain on a dose of 200mg/week @ 10weeks...front load 400mg first week. Im just lookin for 5-10 pounds. Or am I just shutting down my T and thats it?...also wondering if I should taper off say 100mg last two weeks (is this a waste)...I like to stay conservative...almost forgot...I'm using enanthate.

[megatron]

i don't like the idea of running test at those dosages... it's never really worked for me and all the bros that i know that tried that didnt get near what they wanted from it. Since you're only wanting 5-10 lbs of muscle maybe you should consider something other than test.

[iamdwalrus]

200 mg/week of test is a maintenance dose you need at least 500mgs/week to grow.

[StoneColdNTO]

Originally posted by iamdwalrus
200 mg/week of test is a maintenance dose you need at least 500mgs/week to grow.

That is so far from the truth it' s actually funny. I know lots, and I mean lots of guys that put on some serious size & weight with just 250 mg of Sust a week. If the went with a straight ester like Enan or Cyp, they could have even put on more.

For a first cycle I will tell you, 300 - 400 mg/week is ALL you need.

200/wk is a little low, but there is NO WAY you need atleast 500 mg/wk to grow. Absolute bullshit !!

[jack hust]

i still think you would be much more happy at 300-400 a week

[iamdwalrus]

Originally posted by StoneColdNTO
That is so far from the truth it' s actually funny. I know lots, and I mean lots of guys that put on some serious size & weight with just 250 mg of Sust a week. If the went with a straight ester like Enan or Cyp, they could have even put on more.

For a first cycle I will tell you, 300 - 400 mg/week is ALL you need.

200/wk is a little low, but there is NO WAY you need atleast 500 mg/wk to grow. Absolute bullshit !!

LOL! This is coming from a guy who thinks Swale is a very knowledgeable individual. When in fact everywhere Swale turned he was ridiculed for the simple fact that he he is a kook.:2gunsfiri

[iamdwalrus]

Originally posted by StoneColdNTO
That is so far from the truth it' s actually funny. I know lots, and I mean lots of guys that put on some serious size & weight with just 250 mg of Sust a week. If the went with a straight ester like Enan or Cyp, they could have even put on more.

For a first cycle I will tell you, 300 - 400 mg/week is ALL you need.

200/wk is a little low, but there is NO WAY you need atleast 500 mg/wk to grow. Absolute bullshit !!

Did you personally witness those people administer only 250mgs of sus/week? Are you really sure that's all they took?

And what about you, was your last 3 cycles just 250mgs/ of test per week? If not then you're the one fully shite, don't you think.

[StoneColdNTO]

Originally posted by iamdwalrus
Did you personally witness those people administer only 250mgs of sus/week? Are you really sure that's all they took?

And what about you, was your last 3 cycles just 250mgs/ of test per week? If not then you're the one fully shite, don't you think.

No I didn't personally see them do only 250 mg/week, what kind of a fucking question is that ?? Yeah, you are right, they all probably lied about it, come on bro !!

Maybe you should get out more, visit some different boards and get a real perspective on life and cycling.

And WTF is that about my last 3 cycles, we are talking about someone's first cycle....right ??....or did I miss something ??

I will not turn this into a flame war with you, so have a nice day.

[StoneColdNTO]

Originally posted by jack hust
i still think you would be much more happy at 300-400 a week

Thank you, ......maybe you can explain that to iamdwalrus

[trip]

stonecoldnto,

Nice to see you back and posting.

Agree with you on dosages and reasons why.

Amazes me, Everyone knows everyone reacts differently to different supplements, yet when it comes to first cycles, the standard 500 test, 400 deca or Eq is most widely reccommended when this reccomendation obviously violates the first principle of safety: Everyone Reacts Differently To Different Supplements ( ie, AS in this case )

Go low and simple until you know how you respond. Your body is not based on opinion, your body is based on facts. And your body is specific to you and no one else.

Good Luck
Trip

[StoneColdNTO]

Originally posted by trip
stonecoldnto,

Nice to see you back and posting.

Agree with you on dosages and reasons why.

Amazes me, Everyone knows everyone reacts differently to different supplements, yet when it comes to first cycles, the standard 500 test, 400 deca or Eq is most widely reccommended when this reccomendation obviously violates the first principle of safety: Everyone Reacts Differently To Different Supplements ( ie, AS in this case )

Go low and simple until you know how you respond. Your body is not based on opinion, your body is based on facts. And your body is specific to you and no one else.

Good Luck
Trip

Thanks bro !!

After those comments by iamdwalrus, I wondered why I even bother posting here, but after reading what you and Jack said, I think I'll stick around.

[iamdwalrus]

Originally posted by StoneColdNTO

I will not turn this into a flame war with you, so have a nice day.

Not turn it into a flame war and yet you keep *****ing arsehole. I implore you to stick around the board, we always have room for you and Swale whom you hold in high esteem. The village always needs an idiot or two.

[iamdwalrus]

Originally posted by saturn
Iamdwalrus....StoneColdNTO has been a good bro on here and other boars. There is no need to flame him. He just has a different opinion than you. I happen to agree with him on this one. Lets just keep it civil.

I totally agree with you Saturn, the maintenance of an ostentatiously formal disputation style of debate should be kept. But as you may have notice a few choiced cursory words was initiated by SCNTO and I only responded accordingly.

[StoneColdNTO]

Originally posted by iamdwalrus
I totally agree with you Saturn, the maintenance of an ostentatiously formal disputation style of debate should be kept. But as you may have notice a few choiced cursory words was initiated by SCNTO and I only responded accordingly.

Final word to set the facts straight, then I'm out of here !!

you said, "you need at least 500mgs/week to grow"
I responded, "That is so far from the truth it' s actually funny"
and later on "I said, "......there is NO WAY you need atleast 500 mg/wk to grow. Absolute bullshit !!
Now remember, we are talking about someone's very first cycle, so please don't try to confuse the issue.

If you took those statements as "a few choiced cursory words", then boy have you problem.

Now why don't you address the others who replied in this post who agree with me, or is this just a personal thing ??

Anyways....like I said before, I certainly don't need this shit from some immature person, reply all you want cause I will not, have a nice life.

[Mike P.T.]

Again I agree with Stonecold. I myself as well as alot of people I know have gained well off of really low doses of steroids. Shit I gained from 300mg eq a week. My cycle right now and it's my 8th is just 600mg test/week.

BTW - Let's keep this debate clean guys.