You guys are sending mixed signals!!!

[Tri-State]

I recently asked about getting started on a VERY conservative deca cycle and was encouraged to add test. I thought test was likely to give a whole lot more side effects, and you're telling other guys only a few years younger than me to tuck tail and run from AS like they're the devil! Now i KNOW i have a lot of ignorance, but i want to learn...but hell, you guys have me wondering if i'm just as well off to buy everything i can get my hands on, injects twice a week, lift like mad, finish with Clomid and pray for the best!!! Somebody better sort me out and prove that there's more to this than "guess and check"

Oh.. and don't bother telling me to bugg off, im starting to wonder if I'm the only responsible (ignorant, yes, but responsible) guy on here. I just want to bodybuild, and bodybuild better than EVERYONE else.

[DiamondBling]

what tha fuck r u talkin about???????

[monstercojones]

im confused as well... I'm willing to help but Id need to know what you're asking first.

[Tri-State]

i want to GAIN, but also want to be as safe as possible, I'm very seriously considering light use of AS (if such a thing exists) but I'm told "add test" and yet a guy two years my junior is told to stay off. I want to be big, I want to be healthy. I've got the discipline, I lack knowledge, I need to iknow f you guys are going to help me as i learn or use me as a test rat.

I want ANY advice, ANY, on getting started. And i'd like to start soon!!

[bigjim33]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
lol, what exactlly is your question and I will do my best to answer it.

[bigjim33]

Originally posted by Tri-State
i want to GAIN, but also want to be as safe as possible, I'm very seriously considering light use of AS (if such a thing exists) but I'm told "add test" and yet a guy two years my junior is told to stay off. I want to be big, I want to be healthy. I've got the discipline, I lack knowledge, I need to iknow f you guys are going to help me as i learn or use me as a test rat.

I want ANY advice, ANY, on getting started. And i'd like to start soon!!

bro your not the lab rat! a lot of guys started here at age 20, i am one of them! if your asking should you use test with deca, yes.

[Tri-State]

the reason the test suggestion is so throwing me off is because i was under the impresion that it was very likely to cause unwanted side effects and would be hard on a beginner due to its androgenic nature.

[bigjim33]

Originally posted by Tri-State
i was under the impresion that it was very likely to cause unwanted side effects and would be hard on a beginner due to its androgenic nature.

i don't agree with this bro. if you have done the research and have anti-e's and everything in check you have nothing to worry about. i did prop/fina/winny for my first cycle and a lot of people thought that was a lot but i had no bad sides. it is all about knowledge. if you don't feel you are ready then stay and learn more bro

[iced]

nope, test is the base and foundation of any cycle, beginner or advance. BTW, take a note, the body does not produce nandrolone, it produces testerone. If you do a one compound only cycle, use test. Two compound, Test/Deca, is fairly safe, or Test/Eq. If your worried about sides, id stay away from dbol, until you get more advanced.

[superchicken]

i think your confusing people telling an 18 yr old not to do steroids yet with somthing that pertains to you in some way?

and deca has side effects too, you like having no erections?

and just how do you come up with the idea everyone here is irresposible but you? because people told you to take testoserone on your first cycle?

your speaking before you should, your commenting on things and drawing colclusions that you dont yet know enough about to do so, but youll learn in time by reading message boards and researching. saying things like that is a pretty damn low blow to the people who are here helping you, your journey will be a helluva long and rough one without the poeple here, i suggest you appreciate them

[Tri-State]

Thank you man!! Can you e-mail some conservative cycles, I'm 6-1,6-2 210lbs @ 18%bf, and i'd like to end up at 225@10%, so I don't think the heavy stuff is needed (that was my original concern) Oh, trained seriously for two years, so I've got moderate experience.

[bigjim33]

above all....knowledge is what turns cycles into good ones or bad ones....like i said above and others...if you're not ready for a cycle wait until you are ready

[morebeefplease]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
here is your problem. your not willing to sit back and learn. you just want to jump into this and get on a cycle. here is a little advice, SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND READ!

i second that

[bigjim33]

Originally posted by Tri-State
Thank you man!! Can you e-mail some conservative cycles, I'm 6-1,6-2 210lbs @ 18%bf, and i'd like to end up at 225@10%, so I don't think the heavy stuff is needed (that was my original concern) Oh, trained seriously for two years, so I've got moderate experience.

a simple test/eq cycle would work well for you
test 400-500mg/wk 1-10
eq 400mg/wk 1-10

[LOCO]

u will get side effects prretty much from any the gear available now... even the ones considered safe... depending on ur body/genetics/diet/drugs and many other factors, u might get less/more side effects from it... that's why we tell ppl to stay away from them as long as possible... if u consider taking them, then u also have to accept the risks that come with it.
u should 1st learn a lot about AS before u even think about taking them. that way noone can "throw u off" anymore.....