test prop vs suspension

[jazzjackrabbit]

I dont see the need of using suspension over prop.
So those who have used suspension tell me why?
To kickstart the cycle I suppose suspension is faster but to what point?
Suspension is not less painfull than prop?
The only interesting thing is because suspension is without ester it cannot be detected in doping tests. While the prop ester can be detected.

[SMILEY FACE]

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ok Monsieur LAPIN:
suspension will increase ur strenght in no time, and it gets u full without the water..yes it;s painfull but take it with b12 and u will be fine..
u can use suspension for dieting and same wt prop , but prop won;t give u teh full look as the suspension, and suspension is a water base and prop is NOT

[jazzjackrabbit]

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In no time? I can wait a few days for prop to kick in and only shoot eod instead of 2 times a day!
I don't see why suspension would be better when dieting. test is test. Then if you don't shoot suspension only once a day you won't be less bloated than when using prop!
mg per mg suspension is stronger than prop (because of the weight of the ester) but if you take a bit more prop than suspension I'm sure you'll get the same benefits.
Maybe suspension is effective for local growth who knows...

[mick-G]

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I don't know Rabbit?, id take Mike's word for it. Hes used both. I don't think he is saying one is particularly better than the other, other than if you want the fuller look with no water retension then go with the susp. Prop with me gives me a tighter look, but not alot of mass. Also the Susp gives you much more strenght. It all depends on what you are going for Rabbit.

[SMILEY FACE]

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Suspension is just test in a solvent where as prop is test+ester molecule in a solvent.

[SMILEY FACE]

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here u go rabbit..... read up on it:

Testosterone suspension anabolic effects
Testosterone suspension is an injectable preparation containing Testosterone (no ester) in a water base. Since Testosterone is not highly water soluble, the steroid will noticeably separate from the solution when the vial is left to sit. A quick shake will temporarily place the drug back into Testosterone suspension, so that the withdrawn dosage should always be consistent. Many reference materials have not given Testosterone suspension the proper credit, stating it to be a very crude and ineffective product. Although it may contain Testosterone without the benefit of an ester, the micro- crystal design of this Testosterone suspension injectable will in fact sustain an elevated Testosterone release for 2-3 days. Testosterone suspension we see today is clearly not the basic water plus Testosterone design used in the 1940’s. And since the drug will not leave circulation in a matter of hours, it is obviously useful. This is not news to the many Americans bodybuilders who have had a chance to experiment with this item, and regard it very highly.

Among bodybuilders, Testosterone “suspension” is known to be an extremely potent mass agent. Most often Testosterone suspension is ranked as the most powerful injectable steroid available, producing an incredibly rapid gain of muscle mass and strength. This is largely due to the very fast action of Testosterone suspension, as the water-based steroid will begin to enter the blood stream almost immediately after an injection is given. When using a slow acting oil based steroid like Sustanon, it can take weeks before a peak Testosterone level is reached. With Testosterone suspension it is just a matter of days. This will usually result in the athlete noticing a size and strength gain by the end of the first week. By the time the athlete is 30 days into a cycle of Testosterone suspension, the length it will usually take for a Sustanon cycle to really begin to work consistently, the mass gains are already (generally) very extreme. Clearly the anabolic effect of Testosterone suspension will be realized much more quickly than we would expect with an oil based (esterified) preparation.

It is also important to remember that 100mg of a Testosterone ester is not equivalent to 100mg Testosterone of pure Testosterone (as in suspension). When an ester is present, its weight is obviously included in the preparation’s milligram total. Looking at Testosterone enanthate, 100mg of this compound equates to only 72mg of raw Testosterone. So the bodybuilder who uses 400mg of Testosterone enanthate weekly is really getting about 288mg of Testosterone into his body each week. This is clearly a great increase over the endogenous Testosterone level of the average male, which is in the range of 2.5 to 11mg per day. But the general point is that during a cycle of Testosterone suspension we will often see a much more dramatic intake of Testosterone on average than is typically utilized with oils. Following common advice, the athlete will commonly inject a full 100mg of Testosterone daily, a total of 700 milligrams per week. This is up to 40 times the amount produced by a normal male. Those who have attempted such a cycle including Testosterone suspension are rarely disappointed with the results, as such heavy doses of this hormone will produce nothing less than a dramatic weight gain.

Optimal dosage of Testosterone suspension
The most popular practice with Testosterone suspension is to inject the drug at least every two or three days. The dosage will vary greatly depending on the needs of the individual, but is most often in the range of 50mg to 300mg Testosterone suspension per shot. Athletes looking to achieve an extremely rapid bulk gain will inject the already mentioned dose of 100mg daily. In most cases this cycle can be amazing, the user seeming to just “inflate” with bloated muscle mass in a short period of time. The U.S. 30m1 vials (100mg/mI) are of course the most sought after for this procedure, as each will run the cycle for about a month. Although Testosterone suspension does require a frequent injection schedule, it will pass through a needle as fine as 27 gauge (insulin). This allows the user more available injection sites, hitting the smaller muscle groups such as the deltoid, triceps and calves. Although some users do complain about discomfort when injecting water-based steroids, it has been my experience that Testosterone suspension is generally well tolerated. In fact many bodybuilders find the speed of drawing and administering a water based solution to be quite a welcome change from oils, which as you know can be a lengthy procedure.

Testosterone suspension side effects
As would be expected with a strong androgen, Testosterone suspension can produce a number of unwelcome side effects. For starters, with a Testosterone product we will expect to see a high rate of estrogen conversion. Estrogen levels in fact build very quickly with Testosterone suspension, which is actually reputed to be the worst Testosterone to use when wishing to avoid water bloat. Gynecomastia can also develop very rapidly during a cycle, and in many cases Testosterone suspension will be intolerable without additionally taking an antiestrogen. A combination of Nolvadex® and Proviron® is an effective way to avoid experiencing such side effects, and is often taken from the onset of a cycle in order to prevent such occurrences before they become a problem. Sensitive individuals may find an investment in the antiaromatase Arimidex® to be wiser. While Testosterone suspension is very costly, it is also much more effective at controlling estrogen than the other agents which are currently being used by athletes. If there were ever a time to justify this expense, it would certainly be with a drug like Testosterone suspension. It is also important that the athlete monitor blood pressure and kidney functions closely during a heavy cycle, a trouble area as water retention becomes more pronounced. Although Testosterone puts very little strain on the liver, Testosterone suspension can be harsh to the kidneys as the dosage increases, Of course if the athlete is encountering noticeably high blood pressure or trouble urinating (pain or darkening of the urine), the cycle should probably be discontinued and the doctor paid a visit.

Conversion to DHT (dihydrotestosterone) will of course potentate the action of Testosterone in certain tissues. One can therefore expect to endure oily skin, acne, increased aggression and body/facial hair growth during a typical cycle. ********®/Proscar may be a requirement for those with a familial predisposition for male pattern hair loss, as Testosterone suspension is known to aggravate this condition quite easily. Men with an existing hair loss problem may actually prefer stay far away from Testosterone suspension altogether, finding it to be just to strong an item to take risks with. The slower acting oil based injectables like Propionate and Sustanon would be a much better place to start experimenting then Testosterone suspension if the individual still desires the power of an injectable Testosterone.

Also, endogenous Testosterone production will be quickly and efficiently reduced when using Testosterone suspension. This can often reach the point of severe testicular shrinkage (atrophy). Some athletes will periodically take Testosterone stimulating drugs like Clomid®, Nolvadex®, cyclofenil or HCG while on a cycle, in order to keep this effect to a minimum. Even if no such drug is used during, a combination of HCG and Clornid®/Nolvadex® should always be used as the cycle is discontinued. When used correctly, this procedure should be very effective at stimulating natural production, hopefully allowing the athlete to avoid a post-cycle crash. It is important to mention that in addition to stimulating the release of Testosterone, HCG also acts to enhance the rate of aromatization in the testes. The risk for enhanced estrogen buildup makes concurrent anti-estrogen use very important, especially when the athlete had been taking large doses of Testosterone. So as to keep potential health risks to a minimum (heavy water retention can take its toll), cautious athletes will also limit a cycle of Testosterone suspension to no longer than eight weeks.

Testosterone suspension is an extremely powerful drug
Overall, Testosterone suspension is an extremely powerful drug, but also one that is prone to causing many uncomfortable Testosterone suspension side effects. Those looking for only a potent mass agent need not look for a better substitute; Testosterone suspension will certainly do the trick. But those athletes who want not just quantity but quality are likely to be disappointed with Testosterone suspension, as the muscle mass gain is not going to be a hard, dense one. In fact the user must constantly fight fat and water bloat when building his new physique, and will often seek the benefit of cutting agents soon afterwards. The only exception to this would be cases where Testosterone suspension is used for very short periods of time (pre-contest), to rapidly raise the androgen level and harden up the body. When estrogen is not given time to wreak its havoc on the physique, the rapid androgen increase can certainly be beneficial. Of course it will only take a few days for the androgen/estrogen ratio to shift back in an unfavorable direction.

Testosterone suspension is not abundant on the black market at this time. American products have been gone for years, leaving only a couple of available versions of Testosterone suspension left to purchase. Testosus was the most popular, which is a veterinary suspension from Australia (although it was exported to Mexico on a seemingly very regular basis

[snickers1]

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good post/read mikey

[SMILEY FACE]

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at the rescue

[jazzjackrabbit]

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Very interesting read but I don't know how accurate it is. I don't see how you could inject it only every 3 days! For sure you will be bloated doing that!

[SMILEY FACE]

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well i used to do suspension at 100 mg a day once a day 5 days on and weekend off since i don't workout on the weekend..
as a matter of fact wt my cutting cycle, i'am adding suspension last 4 weeks of my diet to fill back out without the water

[snickers1]

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Very interesting read but I don't know how accurate it is. I don't see how you could inject it only every 3 days! For sure you will be bloated doing that!

i think it says you will be bloated "Those looking for only a potent mass agent need not look for a better substitute; Testosterone suspension will certainly do the trick. But those athletes who want not just quantity but quality are likely to be disappointed with Testosterone suspension, as the muscle mass gain is not going to be a hard, dense one. In fact the user must constantly fight fat and water bloat when building his new physique, and will often seek the benefit of cutting agents soon afterwards."

[jazzjackrabbit]

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snickers, big mike says he get "full without the water"... how come?

Big mike, why not taking suspension on week-end to help your recovery? Then your blood level of testosterone peak and drop very fast... not good for the bloat.
If it works for you that's great. if you have too much suspension, bring me a present for christmas I will give a try. I currently have too much prop to buy more testosterone!

[snickers1]

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snickers, big mike says he get "full without the water"... how come?

Big mike, why not taking suspension on week-end to help your recovery? Then your blood level of testosterone peak and drop very fast... not good for the bloat.
If it works for you that's great. if you have too much suspension, bring me a present for christmas I will give a try. I currently have too much prop to buy more testosterone!

i have never used suspension i just read mikes post about it, i can't speak for big mike, but i have seen him post his cycles and there are well thought out and if you look at him sure looks like he knows what he is doing....

imo from the post if your looking not to get bloated or carry water prop or suspension buy them selfs is not get give you what you want.

[SMILEY FACE]

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snickers, big mike says he get "full without the water"... how come?

Big mike, why not taking suspension on week-end to help your recovery? Then your blood level of testosterone peak and drop very fast... not good for the bloat.
If it works for you that's great. if you have too much suspension, bring me a present for christmas I will give a try. I currently have too much prop to buy more testosterone!

bro...all type aas will give u some water including winny, suspension, prop, tehy all will but not as much as anadrol or dbol or test..
with suspesnion u will look fuller wt no doubt..i have use it and i'am convinced ......
i'am not takin it on the weekend because a lot of things: main reason is to keep my receptors fresh and not clogged.... and like i said suspen is very painfull and i hate the pain that comes wt it, but no pain no gain.....
usually suspen will leave ur system in one day .....

[jazzjackrabbit]

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I'm sure I have read suspension leave your system in only a few hours! Maybe TNE in oil has a longer half life...
I don't know if 2 days off is enough to keep your receptor fresh.
Prop is already painfull enough for me, I can't imagine suspension! lol
As I said, local growth is the only thing that could make me change my mind. Even then, I would us test as a transdermal. Have you seen something? local growth or fat burning?