Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

[superdog]

Looking to gain 8-10 lbs lean mass with the next cycle which should start in Feb.

I have issues with gyno and water retention so assume Armidex and Nolva throughout. Never used Armidex before so dosing reccomendaiton would be helpful.

Thinking about the following:

Andropen 275 2cc/wk 1-12
Deca 400mg/wk 1-10

D-bol 30mg/ed wk1-4
or
Oral Turinabol 50mg/ed wk 1-6 (because I`m worried about d-bol gyno...)

and

Var 30mg/ed wk 5-14 (10wks)
or
Var 40-50mg/ed wk 7-14 (8wks)

PCT:
Nolva
Clomid
Clen
HCG

If I don`t go with andopen then my next choice would probably be test cyp because I`ve used it before without bad sides. Test e gave me a bone spur.

I really don`t want to be in a position where I need to diet after my cycle. But I want to put on some size.

Currently 204lbs
body fat 10-13%
In week four of a 10wk anavar only at 37.5mg/ed cycle/bridge
Been training for 20+ years 6-7 cycles competed
Diet... Dialed

Never used Tren, or EQ, primo, etc. but open to sugestions.
Thanks,
Superdog

[TestRip7]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

Just curious, but how did you pinpoint the fact that Test Enath. gave you a bone spur?

[O2BESOHUGE]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

thats the craziest thing ive ever heard....a bone spur?

[BIGMOFO]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

Who said you got the bone spur from the test?

[O2BESOHUGE]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

as far as lean mass cycles go...you should try eq, tren and prop one time. you will be please with the results

o2

[snickers1]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

why not just keep it simple, if you concerned with water retention then deca is not a good choice, keep the nolv on hand for the gyno issue

wk 1-14 test cyp 500mg wk
wk 1-14 eq 400mg wk

or even wk 1-12 test cyp 500mg wk
and then winny wk 6-12 50mg ed

seeing you have done 6 or 7 cycle before you may be able to go higher than 500mg of test.

[Skarhead]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

exactly keep it simple. lose the children/women/contest drugs (ot, var)

test deca...test eq, test/tren etc...test/dbol

[T-Man007]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

Deca, dbol and cyp are all going to bloat you. Test e will not cause bone spurs, simply because an AAS has absolutely no effect on bone growth. Bone spurs are basically the result of calcification or trauma, not AAS use. Many many many people who have never touched an AAD get bone spurs.

With that said, a lean cycle IMO should be:

EQ 400mg/wk weeks 1-12
Test E 250mg/wk weeks 1-12
Tbol 50mg/ED weeks 4-10

PCT

That's a good lean mass cycle. As a matter of fact, you could probably run just EQ for 16 weeks by itself and gain 8 pounds. That stuff is going to make you eat like a horse. Adding a little test will just make sure you get the weight you are looking for without getting bloated and test E doesn't bloat as bad as the others. IMO

[BIGMOFO]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

test depends on the person! I get less bloat from cyp that eath!

[T-Man007]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

test depends on the person! I get less bloat from cyp that eath!

You lie! LOL

[mick-G]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

Deca is the only aas i know of that has an effect on bone density. You simply can't get a bone spur from Test enathate. Bro, from what aas you have listed, it looks more like a bulk type cycle, and i agree with the above on the bloat/water retension. Personally id do Test E, or if you are set on the Andropen then use that @ 500mg/wk for 14 wks, EQ 500mg/wk for 13wks, and maybe use some winstrol 40-50mg ed wks 11-16. Start pct the day after your last winstrol. Also run aromasin @ 12.5mg up until pct, or ldex @ .25mg ed thruout up until pct. Then start the clomid. You could also run the Test with Tren E or A for 10wks and run the winstrol for the same duration towards the end of the cycle. You could also substitute the winstrol for the tbol if you already have them. Now, those would be more like a LM cycle.

[space mountain]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

why not just keep it simple, if you concerned with water retention then deca is not a good choice, keep the nolv on hand for the gyno issue

wk 1-14 test cyp 500mg wk
wk 1-14 eq 400mg wk

or even wk 1-12 test cyp 500mg wk
and then winny wk 6-12 50mg ed

seeing you have done 6 or 7 cycle before you may be able to go higher than 500mg of test.

this is a good one here for sure!

[lsu777]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

i would reccommend a test/eq or test/ 1-test cycle and dex.

[superdog]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

Guys thanks for all the advice. I`m going to give EQ a serious look and possibly go prop on the test. I`ve heard that Tren has got tough sides, any thought on that? I don`t think I`ll finish with whinny (too much DHT) so may decide to stick to var.


About the bone spur (or whatever it is). I did a cycle of just Test E and got a bump on the end of my collarbone on the very top of my left shoulder. I did another cycle of just Test E and the bump got larger, now it looks like I`ve got a marble under my skin on the left shoulder. It grew when I was on cycle and stopped when my cycle ended. After that I did a cyp/deca/winny cycle and had no probs. Also doing var right now and having no problems. Don`t know how to explain it, but none the less it`s sitting on my shoulder right now. Trauma perhaps? Who knows.

[O2BESOHUGE]

Re: Cycle help! Lean mass wanted!

YOU WILL LOVE PROP AND EQ TOGETHER. YOU WILL GET STRONG AND VERY VASCULAR. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR CYCLE. KEEP US POSTED!

O2